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Comments

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

That's a really rude thing to say, you know. If you have specific issues with anything I've said, you're welcome to point them out.

Re: Gender Thread

[diet_poison]

I mean you're basically implying that anyone who holds commonly-held mainstream feminist beliefs is resistant to critically examining things and doesn't allow themselves to be challenged, and anyone who says they're a feminist but actually acts kinda anti-feminist is in fact being open-minded and definitely not closed-minded or resistant to change/critical thinking.

You're just assuming a LOT, if you actually believe that. And it sounds like you're trying to be really edgy.

It was a legit question, by the way.

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

you're basically implying that anyone who holds commonly-held mainstream feminist beliefs is resistant to critically examining things and doesn't allow themselves to be challenged

I don't see where I implied that. After all, I myself hold most mainstream feminist beliefs. My statement was meant to imply exactly what it stated--that people that are non-critical of their own group are more common than those who are critical. Do some research into cognitive dissonance and social identity and you'll see what I mean. We're psychologically wired to want to be consistent with our group-label's identifiers. That's why beliefs and norms are fairly consistent across a group--we want to hold group identification that accurately describes us.

When you have a contradictory/critical view, you can either rationalize it in some way, conform (change your view to fit your groups), or accept the paradox/dissonance. Oh, and with groups/identities you can also drop the identity, which also eliminates the dissonance.

and anyone who says they're a feminist but actually acts kinda anti-feminist

In what way does this girlfriend act anti-feminist?

is in fact being open-minded and definitely not closed-minded or resistant to change/critical thinking.

If you belong to a group but are able to hold opinions that are critical of the party line, that is a fair indicator that you're able to think for yourself and can resist conformist impulses and cognitive dissonance.

And it sounds like you're trying to be really edgy.

What makes me sound as if I'm trying to be edgy?

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

So, nothing? No real explanation for why you decided to accuse me of trolling and trying to be edgy?

Re: Gender Thread

[diet_poison]

No, not really. I'm not terribly motivated to continue this conversation, given how they often go, and that I felt your bizarre interpretation of what anon was saying was reason enough to raise eyebrows at your response and also pretty self-explanatory.

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

Little tip: In the future? If you don't want to talk to me? You might not want to leave comments accusing me of trolling or being bizarre or trying to be edgy.

Because that kind of starts a conversation.

given how they often go

Oh, were you afraid it would end like the last one? Where you attacked my reasoning on the basis that "You never said that!" when I had in fact said it in my first comment? And then you got butthurt and flounced because I didn't delete the comment I'd made pointing that out?

Yeah, I can see why you wouldn't enjoy such a conversation.

Re: Gender Thread

[diet_poison]

So you've never started a conversation with someone and decided partway through it wasn't worth it? Never?

Oh, were you afraid it would end like the last one? Where you attacked my reasoning on the basis that "You never said that!" when I had in fact said it in my first comment? And then you got butthurt and flounced because I didn't delete the comment I'd made pointing that out?

[citation needed]

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

So you've never started a conversation with someone and decided partway through it wasn't worth it? Never?

That part has never been right after I went in and slung shit at someone.

[citation needed]

Poison, Diet_. "Re: Opinions People Judge You for." Dreamwidth.org. December 7, 2015. Accessed January 20, 2016. http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1328235.html?replyto=877201515.

Re: Gender Thread

[diet_poison]

Wait. Wait. That's the one where I misread something (oh no, gasp, a mistake) and corrected myself - you're still on that? Really? I'd actually forgotten it until I read your link. Also when the hell did I ask you to delete a comment? I never ask people that and in principle would not except perhaps in exceptional circumstances. Nor do I delete my own comments unless it's a formatting issue (replied to the wrong thing or to something else that was deleted).

And if you think asking someone, in all sincerity, if they're trolling, considering how many trolls we get around here, is "slinging shit", I don't even know what to say to you.

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

you're still on that?

Still on that? Have I brought it up before? ~Citation needed~

. Also when the hell did I ask you to delete a comment?

Why else would you have flounced over me pointing out your mistake, unless you had wanted me to edit/delete the reference to your mistake?

considering how many trolls we get around here

Uh huh. That's a bullshit excuse and you know it. The various trolls are nonnies, not named users--or they're named users going anon. It makes no sense to assume that one of the named users is trolling, when they have a history of good faith discussions behind them and accountability for their actions because they're doing it under their own username.

Since it makes little sense to troll under a username when anon is available, there's little reason to accuse a named user of trolling.

Re: Gender Thread

[diet_poison]

Have I brought it up before?

Not that I know of, outside that conversation. I'm still surprised you're thinking of it all this time later, though.

Why else would you have flounced over me pointing out your mistake, unless you had wanted me to edit/delete the reference to your mistake?

You didn't just point out a mistake, you were super shitty about it, and after seeing I'd corrected myself, it would have been appropriate to say "oh my bad didn't see the correction" instead of continuing to be shitty. Basically, you're just very frustrating to talk to, and I sometimes get to the point where I no longer wish to do so.

That's a bullshit excuse and you know it.

Excuse for...what? Are you trying to tell me my own motivations for something?

The various trolls are nonnies, not named users

Not true. Noodles, for example, is a long-time member of the comm and a known troll - he's not always trolling but sometimes he is and has admitted it.

Since it makes little sense to troll under a username when anon is available, there's little reason to accuse a named user of trolling.

I do not agree and I stand by what I said. It was a sincere question, and yes, it was rather incredulous, but it was not "shit slinging". If I'd intended to sling shit I'd have done so outright.

And I still think your comment was pretty seriously off-the-wall. Which is why I asked if you were trolling.

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

Not that I know of, outside that conversation. I'm still surprised you're thinking of it all this time later, though

You were the one who referenced our prior conversations, leading me to think back on them critically.

You didn't just point out a mistake, you were super shitty about it

Saying: "Except for that embarrassing part where I did in fact talk about inappropriate rage in my original comment:" is being "super shitty"?

Excuse for...what? Are you trying to tell me my own motivations for something?

What does it being your alleged motivation have anything to do with it? If you're feeding yourself illogical bullshit, it's still illogical bullshit.

And I still think your comment was pretty seriously off-the-wall. Which is why I asked if you were trolling.

Sure, think it's off-the-wall. Some people have opinions far outside the mainstream. I am probably one of them. It doesn't bother me if you think mine are strange. But if you don't like to talk to me, and have nothing to say beyond "That's a weird opinion" maybe you should consider scrolling on the next time you feel tempted to do so.

Re: Gender Thread

[diet_poison]

You were super smarmy both in the comment where you pointed out the mistake that I'd corrected and in the following comment. The appropriate response when you reply to a comment and realize afterwards it had been edited is "oh my bad didn't catch that". Your overall attitude is shitty.

If it doesn't bother you that I think your opinions are "strange" then what is the fuss about in the first place? I asked if you were trolling. If you're not, then say you're not. I'm sorry it offended you. I already explained my reasoning. I don't really want to keep beating a dead horse.

Re: Gender Thread

[blitzwing]

The appropriate response when you reply to a comment and realize afterwards it had been edited is "oh my bad didn't catch that".

So I was right. You did have some expectation for me to delete or edit my comment pointing out your mistake. So you did get butthurt and flounce over it.

I'm sorry it offended you.

What a Heidipology.

Re: Gender Thread

[diet_poison]

So I was right. You did have some expectation for me to delete or edit my comment pointing out your mistake. So you did get butthurt and flounce over it.

No? Nothing I said indicated deletion (and do I need to reiterate my thoughts on deleting comments? because I'm not a fan of it and wouldn't expect it of someone else), and being decent and acknowledging my edit does not in fact require an edit on your part.

What a Heidipology.

Did you think "I'm sorry if it offended you" was intended to be an actual apology? I stand by my comment above - I asked a sincere question and defended my rationale for doing so. I'm not going to apologize or take it back when I don't think it was wrong or mean of me to ask what I asked. Is there anything else you want me to say regarding this? I don't think we're going to come to any resolution here other than "agree to disagree".