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I think the same as any privileged person in conversations about that category. Men can be feminist. Men can talk about feminist issues. But the most important voices are those of the marginalized group, and the privileged group should never talk over them and should try to promote their voices as much as possible.

The same as women's: Speak when you know what you're talking about, listen to other people and their differing experiences, defer to people first-hand knowledge of the subject in question, don't be an arsehole.
If you have some sort of institutional power, you will probably have an easier time being heard. Feel free to use that!

Oh, and don't go on Tumblr. It will just make you sad.

this is the best response.

Thanks! My immediate first thought when I read the question was 'Same as women's, next question', but I thought that would be pithy and dismissive.

To point and laugh at the idiots within it.

It depends on the specific circumstances.

But the reason I'm responding is to make the point that there's a distinction between feminism as an intellectual point of view - feminism as an argument - and the feminist movement. .

To provide an easy scapegoat for radfems looking for someone to blame for feminism's internal divisions.

Well, let's be honest, feminisms divisions we civil and productive until the branch of the third wave started this whole "Men can be feminists too! Feminism should help with male issues as well!" bull. Probably a coincidence, but men turning up in numbers did happen around the time things got really hostile.

hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You need to research 2nd wave feminism a bit more.

lol

This is historically untrue, though? I think it was the Second-Wave era that was known for eating its own.

Sojourner Truth says you need to shut the fuck up, honey.

Re: What is men's role in the feminist movment?

raspberryrain - 2016-01-20 11:23 (UTC) - Expand

Helping, supporting and protecting women.

If a woman needs a man to protect her she is doing feminism wrong.

you're missing the point

To shut up and learn. Anything else is a bonus.

So, when it comes to Men's Rights, women should shut up and learn? OK.

I think women already know everything we need to know about mens rights.

To dispense orgasms with their mouths while we fix the world?

Sounds like a win-win for everyone.

(Anonymous) - 2016-01-20 01:01 (UTC) - Expand

You know, sometime in the last decade I stopped worrying about whether I'm called a feminist and started worrying about right action in my profession.

Yeah, my view on the matter is more or less that right action is the desideratum - to me, the primary value of feminism is as a lens to remind us of various aspects of right action & of common humanity which otherwise we might neglect, overlook, or forget. I think there is very little which feminism would require that is not already a moral principle.

To not get in the god damned way of progress!

To learn and understand, to be a decent guy.