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⌈ Secret Post #3307 ⌋

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If it had only been the women's deaths that were lingered over, or if the women's deaths had been treated differently, I might agree with you. They weren't, though, if anything they were less focused on than the men's, and given the set-up of the scene, given that everyone was enraged, everyone was fighting, and everyone was dying, there is no way to elide the women without running into one of the unfortunate implications I mentioned above. If they can't fight and die on the same footing as everyone else in the scene (which they did, bar Harry for the reasons stated above), then it just becomes sexist for other reasons entirely.

It also wasn't violence being done to them, or no more than it was being done to anyone else. They were being plenty violent right back. The fact that they lost is a different matter. They were trying to kill people just as much as people were trying to kill them, and for the same reasons. It wasn't violence directed at them for reasons of what they were, there was no parallel to real life violence, it was a hate virus that caused a mindless killing spree by all affected. Everyone was equally affected. Real life reasoning, even in-universe reasoning, went out the window. Nobody was in control of what they were doing.

The scene wasn't glorifying violence towards women. It might have been glorifying violence in general, given how generally awesome the scene was and the fact that 'Free Bird' was playing over the top of it, but then again there is the scene immediately afterwards. If the scene were truly glorifying violence, then Harry would not have been almost broken by horror and remorse immediately afterwards. The violence was done to him as much as to them. The action was awesome. The aftermath was horrifying. The killer doesn't glory in what he's done. As soon as he regains his mind and senses it cripples him instead. Which might possibly have been the point, since we're all hyped up on the incredible action scene, and then straight afterwards we're slammed in the face by the consequences of it.

The scene is not an assault on a single person, it isn't mimicking real life assault. It is an incredibly over the top action set-piece motivated by science-fiction interference, where everyone is being violent to everyone else, and where the victor is crippled by horror and remorse immediately afterwards. I'm sorry, but I just do not see any particularly sexist elements in that, and I still give it points for allowing the women to fight just as hard and just as violently as the men, for a woman to be among the last people standing (axe lady), and for the only real reason they lost to have been as outside their control (Harry being an incredibly well-equipped and well-trained agent) as the reason they were fighting in the first place (sci-fi hate virus). If Harry hadn't had a bullet-proof suit, he wouldn't have survived. And, in a sense, he didn't.

Women are delicate and very special and exist only to be sheltered and protected. They shouldn't be in action movies at all, unless they're at safe at home, worrying about their menfolk as they fight to protect them. They could make a roast or something while they're worrying, or tidy up the house. It's not like they've got anything better to do. They'd just better make sure they're wearing gloves, because we live in a world in which hot stoves and harsh detergents unfairly target women, and showing that in a movie that's meant for entertainment is just sick and wrong.

AYRT

I'm sorry, I just disagree. This all reads like justifications to me, and I'm not sure I'll ever get you to see why showing women being butchered is a bad thing, and that kinda makes me sad. I think we should just agree to disagree on this.

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