[ SECRET POST #3312 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3312 ⌋

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[link for anime porn ... type stuff? I'm not even sure what's going on here]















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Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/8cWazLr.png

[(Anonymous)]

That's a good point though to be fair, in the book Jack Torrance is a little bit off to begin with, thanks to his issues with alcohol. He's already haunted by memories of breaking his son's arm while drunk.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Robin Williams was also discussed for that role. That would've been an interesting and potentially terrifying choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Scatman Crothers will always be the best part of The Shining.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! <3

[wannabe_influential]

He played some good creepy roles, like in Insomnia and One Hour Photo

[(Anonymous)]

What I've seen of his acting was impressive. I think he's quite underrated as an actor, at least for his non-comedic roles.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, really? Kinda wish they'd gone that route now.

I haven't read the book (though I want to and plan to at some point), but yeah, I always thought he was meant to be a little unbalanced to begin with, thus making it harder to tell at times whether he was just being his usual jerk-ish self or whether he really was going insane.

All I mainly know is that that movie just reinforced why long, empty hallways tend to creep me out.

[bio_obscura]

I think there's an important difference between battling alcoholism demons (a weakness that The Overlook preyed on) to being straight unhinged, which is the impression Nicholson always gave off to me from the very beginning.

In the movie, it's almost like Jack fills The Overlook with his own evil, which is much less interesting to me than the opposite, as it is in the book.

But then, I just want the Silent Hill effect in everything, ever.

[ninety6tears]

I agree. Jack has some serious issues from the outset, he's both worried about his family while being kind of frustrated by them in how they remind him of his guilt, but there's no sense at the beginning that IF he'd remained sober (because the hotel unhinged him in that way) that he would have done anything that crazy to hurt his family. Nicholson's portrayal has the most creepily artificial emotions towards everyone around him from the beginning; I'm sure it was meant to be the very different take.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh absolutely. But when you're talking about a man who's broken his own 4 year old child's arm in a drunken rage already, we're not talking about a guy with 100% functional mental health. Nicholson does tend to chew on the scenery though, I agree.

[bio_obscura]

Yeah, but I think in the book King was trying to portray the arm-breaking incident as something he wouldn't have done without alcohol and didn't do on purpose, alcoholism being a kind of Overlook-like evil that had hold of him.

Jack in the movie doesn't seem to do anything because of alcohol (or evil, for that matter), he just seemed off his rocker. Honestly, I think you could take the supernatural element out of the movie completely and it would still make sense for Jack to snap and try to kill his family. Which is why I'm not really a fan of him being portrayed as already nuts.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, unfortunately I think the movie lacks the book's depth when it comes to showing how Jack's alcoholism and the supernatural elements of the book come together in such a destructive way.

[(Anonymous)]

I hear that as a semi-common criticism.

[dethtoll]

Let's be real, the Simpsons parody of this film was closer to the original book.

[brandiweed.livejournal.com]

While I think the Kubrick film is a really high-quality horror film, they really should've brought back the "Inspired by" credit for it.

[philstar22]

I agree so much with this secret. I loved the book. And the casting ruined it because Jack was creepy and kind of abusive all along. So it wasn't so much a matter of a good man descending into darkness in a haunted hotel as it was an abusive man giving in to his urges in a place where he has his family alone.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that was one of Stephen King's main criticisms of the movie too.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's why I actually like Steven Weber's performance in the mini-series much better. Nicholson had already played a couple of slightly unhinged characters, so it wasn't a surprise that he was doing it again. The miniseries did a better job of showing how his drinking was an opportunity for the Overlook to get in his head and to then be able to show him still in there enough to tell Danny to run at the end. Letting Nicholson have that moment never would've worked because he already had such a creepy vibe from the beginning. It didn't feel like as much of a descent.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I was hoping that someone would bring up the miniseries. It's a bit hokey in all its 90s glory, but Weber was a great Jack. And Rebecca De Mornay was leagues better as Wendy than Shelley Duvall. (Even despite knowing the horrendous conditions that Duvall was subject to, she just never ended up creating a character that I could feel sympathetic for.)

Honestly, the only real issue I had with the series was the kid playing Danny, haha. And it wasn't even that he was a bad actor (for a kid), it was just...I wanted to rip his lips off, I swear. CLOSE YOUR MOUTH, KID.

[luxshine]

Not gonna lie, Weber is MY Jack. Sure, he is not as good an actor as Nicholson, but he totally sold me the loving father turned into a monster due to inner demons.

That last scene when he tells Danny to run gets me every single time.

[pendancy]

I agree to an extent, but I've always coughed it up to the movie rushing and omitting content. In the book, Jack isn't the model of sanity, but you do get to experience his actual descent and better understand why it happens instead of just, "Wow, this guy's nuts." I'm not sure if another actor would've changed that.

[(Anonymous)]

PREACH. Nicholson is terrible in the role--he's ready to murder from the first scene in the car with Wendy and Danny. The book makes it clear Jack's descent into madness is a genuine tragedy (alcoholism = tragic flaw)--not crazy about the '90s remake (the kid was awful) but at least they delineated the tragedy correctly. Unpopular opinion I know but Nicholson is such a hack (his whole shtick during the '80s was "I'm so psycho and grinny and unpredictable!").

[(Anonymous)]

Wouldn't that be a directer issue though? Seems like if Kubrick didn't want him to be a creepy asshole to begin with, he wouldn't have been a creepy asshole to begin with. (Not a big one for collaborating was Kubrick. From what I've heard.)