[ SECRET POST #3312 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3312 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[link for anime porn ... type stuff? I'm not even sure what's going on here]















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA I'm not sure if it counts as excusing it, but someone 'creating' a hero or villain is the single most common trope ever.

Is it wrong to discuss that his parents being murdered caused Bruce Wayne to become Batman?

Is it wrong to discuss that Ronan murdering Drax's wife and kids caused him to become a hero?

Is it wrong to discuss that Obadiah having Tony Stark kidnapped and tortured directly resulted in him becoming Iron Man?

I mean you're just making excuses for their actions, it's not really important. I'm sure Tony Stark would have ended up exactly the same way without Obadiah's influence, movie wise. Wouldn't have changed a thing.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not wrong, but as noted the line between discussion and apologism in those discussions is like, paper-thin. I mean yeah, it's not wrong to discuss how his parents' murder led to Batman, but making it out to be his parents' fault for dying would imply something else entirely that would understandably get people riled up. (Of course, blame Ronan and Obadiah, they committed deliberate evil acts that led to consequences.)

[(Anonymous)]

Batman's parents dying wasn't a choice by them though. They had no say in their bodies giving out. It would be Joe Chill's choice to murder Bruce's parents that led to Bruce becoming Batman because Joe Chill was the one showing agency, not Bruce's parents. If Bruce's parents committed suicide you could argue whether his parents had responsibility for influencing his choice to become Batman (in the end choice was still Bruce's), but they didn't.

The issue of attributing responsibility for influencing motives and affecting the experiences of other people falls on choices made. If someone chooses to ignore everything their child says, to be unresponsive when the kid cries and tries to get their attention, and the kid gradually goes quiet and gets developmental problems, that is a choice and that has a profound effect on what decisions that kid makes and how that kid is able to function in the world. Beating the kid anytime they asked for something would also be a choice. Being affectionate and attentive and fair to the child would be a choice too. All influence a hypothetical child's capacity to function. To argue that who that kid becomes has nothing to do with the way they were raised and treated is simply psychologically inaccurate. To argue that someone who is psychologically healthy and has no trauma tied to past experiences is the same as someone who is psychologically unhealthy and traumatized is also incorrect.