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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-01-30 03:26 pm
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(Anonymous) 2016-01-30 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
That's the thing, many people talked about their experiences with other writers who moved to originals and how some of them made some awkward attempts of marketing and such.

So yeah, not everything was about OP, but the overall consensus was still: don't be a jerk about fandom and your former readers, but no "OMG HOW DARE YOU TO NOT GIVE US MORE FICS".

(Anonymous) 2016-01-30 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
So yeah, not everything was about OP, but the overall consensus was still: don't be a jerk about fandom and your former readers, but no "OMG HOW DARE YOU TO NOT GIVE US MORE FICS".

That's how I, and most of the people/fans I've spoken to about this, feel about it. It's always sad when a favorite fic author chooses to leave, but that's their choice, and it should be respected.

Where I draw the line is when they selfishly--and yes, to me it is selfish, because fandom is above all else a community of fans who discuss and share canon/fanwork. It has its own relics, own history, own celebrities...heck, it even has its own language!--remove their fics from the 'Net. No, I don't care about the so-called "legal" (and other) reasons, because most of the time it's not even necessary to reveal their IRL personas. They do so for marketing purposes, and then when it's time to get published pull the "Oh, but my editor/publisher says..."

Well, that wouldn't have been a problem if you hadn't revealed your IRL identity to your fanbase, now would it? Especially knowing that you'd want to eventually publish original work.

I lose all respect for writers who do this. Go and publish your work--I wish you the best of luck. But don't expect me to smile and support you when you trample all over the fanbase in your aim to do so.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-30 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
DA. Not everyone goes into fandom knowing that they're going to publish original fiction though. It might be a dream, but a lot of people enter fandom on the young side so any thoughts of future publishing/professionalism doesn't even enter their mind. They might have already revealed who they are IRL along with a ton of other information they shouldn't have. Like were you on the net as a teen? Would you want everyone seeing everything you did as a teen?

And you think people taking things down for legal concerns and for the sake of their career is selfish? Seriously????? You don't have to support their original work but they also don't owe you any fanwork, especially if that fanwork can get in the way of their career.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-30 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I do think it's selfish, especially when they pull their works from the 'Net with little to no warning and then tell their fans they can't even share it PRIVATELY. How is that not selfish?

Once again--fandom is a community. You chose to share your work with the community. [Hypothetical] You put it out there, and even if you never expected for it to become an important relic/work/etc, the fact remains that it did. Fan fiction is a huge part of the fandom. By removing a popular fanwork you're taking away something important. The loss will be felt, not only to old-timers, but to the newcomers who will see those works mentioned and recommended and praised everywhere and that's all they'll ever get.

I get what you're saying about authors not knowing they'd want to eventually get published, but there are other measures they could take. But let's be real--most don't even try, because they have little to no consideration for their fans/community. Even authors whose IRL and fandom identities haven't mixed pull their stuff, when they could easily put their old usernames behind them and get new ones. They could even privatize their works, such as on AO3 and LJ, and only let those with accounts view them. But they don't.


They don't owe us fanwork, you're right about that. But pulling fanwork from fandom once it's already been integrated? That's a dick move and says a lot about how they think about the fandom/fanbase.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-31 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
There's little anyone can do to stop someone from sharing fic privately or saving it once it's been put online. But either way I don't think someone who gave people free entertainment really owe anyone anything? You may see it as a dick move but it's been mentioned before there are tons of reasons to want to take fanfic down, and as the fanfic author, they have every right to do so.

It doesn't necessarily mean they hate fandom or want to turn their back on it, but as unfortunate as it seems, fanwork CAN and HAS gotten people in trouble with their RL jobs. The biggest example would be anyone who draws or writes porn, because I do know people who have gotten in trouble for that.

And I mean, as fun as fandom is, everyone needs to make sure they can make a living so a career has to come before it. NO ONE will be writing fanfic if we all get fired from our jobs because of silly things we did on the internet.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-31 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. You are super entitled. You are also imputing motives to people that they may not possess. Maybe you don't give a shit about the legal issues, but you can bet your ass that if my publisher told me to take my fanfic down for legalities' sake, it would be gone. They haven't done so yet, and I don't know that they ever will, but this whole "fandom is a community" attitude" is a bit rich coming from a "community" who will turn on someone like rabid weasels if they quit pandering to them.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-31 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
this whole "fandom is a community" attitude" is a bit rich coming from a "community" who will turn on someone like rabid weasels if they quit pandering to them.

I've been involved in many fandoms for a good decade now and have never witnessed that which you just described. When authors choose to publish, more often than not they receive overwhelming encouragement from their fans. Those who don't encourage it--which is understandable and to be expected--usually hold their tongues. There are always a few crazies who say things like, "No!! Stick to fanfiction!!" but no one pays attention to them anyway.

The only time I've ever, ever encountered fans going "rabid" on an author is when that author removed their works from the internet with no warning and then requested that their works not be shared. So now it's almost impossible to get them anywhere because those who have it won't share 'em, because if they do they'll get virtually lynched.

So yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-01 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
If I had a publisher that told me that, I'd find a different publisher.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-01 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
And if you've already signed their contract before they request you take down your fanfics, you'd be liable for breach of contract, there might be financial penalties, your manuscript would not be able to be submitted to other publishers for consideration, and you'd likely be blackballed anyway, because people in publishing know one another and nobody wants to work with a drama queen who's prone to flouncing on such a trivial matter.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-01 11:51 am (UTC)(link)
Because everyone has 12 publishers at their beck and call and it isn't a once in a life time opportunity or anything. Jesus lawd!

(Anonymous) 2016-01-31 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
"because most of the time it's not even necessary to reveal their IRL personas"

This so much.

My Internet persona has no connection to my real name, so unless I choose to change that there's no way for anyone to find out and... there's no reason to do so.

I also have to wonder how well those marketing attempts go, specially for non-BNFs.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-31 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
My thoughts exactly.

And how hard it is to change your LJ/DW/tumblr username? Or switch AO3 accounts? Not hard at all.

I also have to wonder how well those marketing attempts go, specially for non-BNFs.

From what I've observed--not very well. A few fans will purchase books of their favorite writers, but for the most part are only interested in reading fan fiction. Which is understandable--we're a fan community, not a community for original fiction and the like.

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