[ SECRET POST #3315 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3315 ⌋

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Serious question

[(Anonymous)]

Serious question: why do you think Victorian men might want to join gangs? Power, influence, money, protection, because they're poor and have few options, etc... all of those seem like reasonable motivations.

Now why do you think those motivations wouldn't apply to women?

Re: Serious question TW rape

[(Anonymous)]

Not op, but I took it more that women weren't allowed to be in gangs. We've all seen the sexism of this last 50 years or so, Imagine going back to a time when women were literally chattel. Women 150 years ago wouldn't have been permitted to leave the home unaccompanied, let alone join a gang. And that's just the sexism from the men who owned the women. You think men in gangs would want women anywhere near them? No, men back then wouldn't have considered women a valid gang member. Hell men today can barely stomach working in mordern work places with women. Why would people assume that back in the fucking dark ages men were better than they are today?

Finally, I can think of at least one reason women back then would not want to be in a criminal gang. Criminal men. Men today, men who are otherwise law abiding men today are raping women in absurdly high numbers. 1 in 4. And that's with laws protecting women that just didn't exit back then, and even if they had existed, these are criminal men who wouldn't think twice about raping their female gang mates because "What else are women good for". An attitude that exists across the board today. Can you imagine how horrible it would have been back then?

So, I kinda agree with OP. It's just not believable that women would be allowed or would choose to put themselves in that situation.

Re: Serious question TW rape

[(Anonymous)]

I don't play Assassin's Creed, so I don't know much about the Blighters and the Rooks.

Girl gangs, though, are historical, and even exist today, sometimes in cooperation with other gangs.

Re: Serious question TW rape

[(Anonymous)]

"Women 150 years ago wouldn't have been permitted to leave the home unaccompanied..."

This isn't actually true. It might've been considered improper for a woman of a higher social status to go places unaccompanied, but lower class women often had no choice because they had jobs and no servants to chaperone them.

The rest are just your unsupported assumptions that don't appear to be based on any knowledge of the time period. Just because sexist men existed in Victorian times doesn't mean that no woman was ever able to accomplish things that was only considered proper for men. Have you heard of the Suffragette movement? There were lady scientists, lady explorers, lady novelists, lady doctors, all making inroads into male dominated fields.

And as the OP themselves noted, there were all female gangs so your theory that no women of that time would choose to put themselves in that situation is wrong. You've taken a few superficial bits of knowledge about modern gender roles and sexism and misapplied it to an earlier time period. Your ignorance about how Victorian women actually lived or what they accomplished doesn't mean there weren't any women who dared to do things society deemed inappropriate for women.

I'm sad for you that you're allowing your uninformed opinions to reinforce the idea that women couldn't do anything at all before the 21st century.

Re: Serious question TW rape

[(Anonymous)]

"1 in 4" has been proven to be complete and utter bullshit, you realize.