[ SECRET POST #3315 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3315 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Women has so many less choices to support themselves in Victorian times. A poor woman's husband leaves or dies her choices are prostitution, begging on the street, stealing, or other criminal activity. Live was hard unless you were in the upper crust.

[(Anonymous)]

And life STILL is hard if you're not from the upper crust.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly! What has really changed?

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... in England, women can vote now. Peoples' concepts of morality are far more liberal than it was in Victorian times, where merely wearing trousters instead of a big skirt with petticoats would be considered very risque. We have welfare programs so poor women aren't faced with either starvation or prostitution. There are laws about domestic violence, women can work outside the home, we've made enormous strides in medical technology so that childbirth isn't the huge gamble it used to be and now we have vaccinations and treatments for some of the deadliest diseases of that era. You can get married, or not, and if you don't want to get married it doesn't ruin you socially and/or financially.

Lots of things have changed.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. If I'm a poor woman without the protection (deemed necessary by society) of either my father or husband, my options are shitty and few. I can work menial jobs for long hours and little pay, if I my health and strength permits and I can find one. I can become a prostitute, with better hours and little pay and high risk of sexual disease, sexual/physical assault and oh hello Jack the Ripper.

Or I could become a criminal. Why wouldn't I consider a life of crime if my other choice is to work myself to death and/or let myself and any children I might have starve in the gutter?

[(Anonymous)]

Jack the Ripper wasn't some huge threat. There was more chance of being killed by a horse cart or being knocked off a barge than by him. In a city of several million, you're giving far too much credit to someone known to have killed eight people.

Do you have any idea how many prostitutes have met violent ends?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I mean, I pretty sure that Jack the Ripper could have killed a lot more without many people knowing or caring, if he hadn't been so dead set on getting attention. Yeah, Jack the Ripper (only) killed some number (five?, eleven?, more?), but one of the reasons they had so many problems identifying who he had killed was the abundance of victims. Prostitutes are often the targets of violent people, including serial killers (like Victorian era killer Thomas Neill Cream or Joseph Philippe, though that was in France, or Juan Díaz de Garayo, though he was in Spain, or Francisco Guerrero, though he was in Mexico). And the Jack the Ripper case was sensationalized at the time, so I don't think being afraid of getting killed would be an unreasonable fear for a prostitute at the time.

[(Anonymous)]

The lower classes and the poor had it the worst but it didn't sound like a picnic for the upper crust, either. Women of good breeding weren't supposed to work, even if they actually needed money. If you didn't have money of your own, you were dependent upon male relatives and your best shot at a happy life was marrying a rich man. Being a spinster sucked. If you really needed money, your respectable options were being a governess or a lady's companion and socially you were stranded in this limbo between being beneath the family you worked for, but too good to socialize with the servants.

I'm glad not to be a woman in Victorian times is what I'm saying.

[(Anonymous)]

We don't have it much better today.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course we do, silly radfem. You and I are posting these comments on the internet, where we can communicate to people on the other sides of the world. Do you think women had that freedom in Victorian times? I'm wearing pants even as I type instead of a corset and a bustle. It's dark out and it's winter, but my house is heated and I have an electric lamp in every room of my house. It's past 11pm, but I can go outside by myself or make a trip to Wal Mart and nobody brands me a slut for walking around unaccompanied by a male member of my family or a servant. When I come back, I could get on Tindr and try online dating, instead of being forced to marry for money or have my parents choose my spouse. If I'm on my period I can buy my own tampons rather than making my own from rags and then "retiring" to my rooms until it's over.

We have it lots better today. Please do try not to be so ridiculous.