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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-02-03 06:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #3318 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3318 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
After how Lupin failed to manage his condition and neglected to take his medication, which required application of the timey-wimey device to get them all out of, yeah I'd say Snape made a solid call on that. I mean, I do get it was a highly stressful situation for Lupin, but in highly stressful situations it is more vital than ever he manage his condition, that is when it really counts. It'd be like an HIV+ person saying they could manage their condition all the time, except when they got a huge bloody cut then they panic and bleed out around kids who he tried to avoid talking about HIV to.

Snape didn't blatantly leak Lupin's condition until after Lupin went wolf, and while people say Snape went off-lesson and tried to blab during the Defense Against Dark Arts by skipping to the werewolf chapter, it was obvious Lupin was skipping out on that vital info for personal reasons even though Voldemort used werewolf activists. So Snape was kinda on the right side there. We see it as nasty, because we're seeing it through Harry's eyes and Harry likes Lupin a lot, but Lupin really dropped the ball on both his lesson plan and his meds. Nice guy, and nice personal tutor, but he screwed up big time and deserved to be canned.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Lupin dropped the ball on his lesson plan by...not skipping directly to a chapter way ahead in the syllabus? What evidence is there that he was "skipping" anything, and wasn't already planning a lesson that would have been plenty informative when the time came for it?
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2016-02-04 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Lupin was literally created to make the point that prejudice against HIV patients was wrong.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Having him skip out on his meds, and only being averted from causing death and/or infection due to that skipping by being part of a time travel plot, kinda undermines that point then. Sad as it is to say, but HIV+ people (and anyone else who has a highly communicable and potentially terminal condition) have a much higher standard to meet on managing their conditions than your average schmuck off the street. Lupin botched his medication schedule because he wasn't paying attention. In a school full of kids, including both chosen ones, that was unforgivable and he ought to have been fired for that. I get he is a nice guy on his meds, but in that situation there ought to be no second chances. Dumbledore ought to have pulled the trigger himself on that firing instead of going with cronyism again.

That is even without getting into quietly removing his condition from the teaching schedule in case anybody put two and two together.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
It's pointedly noted that Snape skipped to a chapter way at the end of the book when he taught the lesson, and several students told him that they weren't "that far ahead yet". It was the beginning of term, basically. This is what you call ball-dropping? Snape was being a petty trashbag as usual, nothing more.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Snape turned out to be completely justified in giving everyone an early heads up, Lupin was incompetent in managing his condition. Everyone in that school ought to have been given information in how to handle werewolfism when a werewolf started. Plus we can be certain that Lupin was almost certainly going to massage that information anyway. Snape was still justified by his later confirmed suspicion that Lupin could not responsibly manage his condition, and if that had happened earlier before Snape had given an essential safety briefing then we'd be looking at a high death toll and lots of infected people.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Retroactive sentencing doesn't work here, Snape had no reason to believe Lupin would ever skip his potion given that the circumstances around him doing so were beyond extraordinary. Moreover, they weren't taught how to handle werewolfism, he taught them how to kill a werewolf (this is literally what the essay was about), and I'm extremely disturbed by anyone finding that justifiable.

There's also absolutely no reason to believe Lupin was going to skip the lesson on werewolves altogether. What the books make clear is that the world's stance on werewolves is wildly bigoted, disgusting and unfair - and Lupin could've had the chance to teach his class about werewolves in the humane way they should be taught about. Snape took that chance from him and perpetuated the disgusting bigotry while doing so.

There are no ways in which this was not a dick move.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*retroactive justice, not sentencing
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2016-02-05 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
and Lupin could've had the chance to teach his class about werewolves in the humane way they should be taught about.

I've never really thought about that element of it before. God he is a terrible person. :)( (Although I'm not fond of Dumbledore for getting people into these situations and subjecting years of kids to people like Snape - and worse - either.)

(Anonymous) 2016-02-05 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Considering Lupin missed his medication because he raced out to stop someone he believed to be a mass murderer from killing his students, it's less like someone with HIV flipping out because they got a cut and smearing blood everywhere, and more like someone with HIV getting shot in the kids' general vicinity because he didn't think to stop and grab a bulletproof vest before trying to stop a robber.

Are there actions that could have been taken to prevent what happened? Sure. Were they missed because it was an extreme situation, when there's no evidence whatsoever of the character otherwise being careless? Yeah, kind of.