[ SECRET POST #3318 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3318 ⌋

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Comments

[arcadiaego]

Well, I can certainly see why you side with Snape.

[(Anonymous)]

What kind of dumbass response is this?

[otakugal15]

And I can see why you side with an asshole like James.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok this bugs me. Just because an isolated scene of someone at 15 years old is enough to form your opinion of their entire character throughout their life doesn't mean that's the case for everyone else. There is plenty reason why someone might side with James over Snape given their overall stories, or not see James as an asshole. Yes we saw Snape "grow" if you want to call it that, that also means there's no question his assholery wasn't confined to one scene or one relationship.

[otakugal15]

I said he grew, even if small.

And, I'm sorry, but when you have biased parties that are syaing someone was so great and good, but then you get to see him as he was in life and was a massive asshole, many times (cause book 5 is not the only time we see James being a dick. book 7 had other memories as well), I'm not just take it on faith.

JKR should have done more to actually SHOW. US. that James became a good guy. But she didn't. All she did was TELL US.

Sorry, but, that's not gonna just ~convince me~ the way it does everyone else.

At least with Snape, we can actively say was an asshole, even if he ultimately worked for good. It's why he made such a grerat character. But James? We need more proof that he was one by SEEING IT.

That's my opinion. And I'm not gonna change that opinion until if or when JKR finally actuall SHOWS US.

Suck it up that not everyone likes your precious Mauraders.

[(Anonymous)]

but then you get to see him as he was in life and was a massive asshole, many times (cause book 5 is not the only time we see James being a dick. book 7 had other memories as well)

lol "many times", by which I assume you mean the only other memory of 11-year-old James mouthing off about Slytherin to his new friend and Snape getting butthurt by it?

A++ on judging an entire life by two childish moments, but we have factual evidence (not just hearsay) that James befriended a werewolf when they're easily the most human-discriminated-against group in the books, spent half his Hogwarts career working to become an Animagus to improve that friend's quality of life, took in his other best friend (the scion of a Dark house while you know he was Golden Gryffindor Boy all the way) when his family kicked him out, financially supported his werewolf friend because he couldn't get a job after school, fought and died young in a war about the oppression of a socioeconomic group he was not part of, a war that he easily could've stayed out of and lived a long life. This is his story.

I mean say what you want if you feel the two major recipients of all this care weren't particularly worthy and therefore it's not all that impressive and so on, but I think this story clearly shows levels of compassion rarely seen even in people who are the age James was when he died let alone earlier.

Whereas Snape joined a genocidal terrorist group and gave over the life of a baby so that his Dark Lord would know not to let the prophecy about said baby stopping his reign of terror come true; then got upset because his one special Muggleborn was caught in the crossfire - but y'know, fuck her husband and baby that he actually put in danger - then spent years bullying countless kids, including both of the ones his actions had made a target, while waiting for the reason Dumbledore saved his ass from an Azkaban life sentence to become relevant. Still managed to be a bitter dick when his life was arguably far more comfortable than several of those who hadn't spent the war on the side of genocidal terrorists and yet were punished worse. I mean he saved lives and died for Lily's cause, good for him, but true compassion, sympathy, any kind of genuine interest in improving the quality of someone else's life?

???

When did he ever show any of this for anyone who wasn't himself?

He couldn't muster a scrap of it for anyone: not his so-called best friend, not either of the kids he helped orphan, not any of his students that we know of. Arguably Draco Malfoy came the closest, and even then he had to be strong-armed into it (that whole "what about my soul?!" bit of his), unless you're including compassion for Draco's need to be a dick to the Trio, which he seemed to indulge quite often.

Like I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here, Snape's story is a great and interesting one, but there are many reasons why people might respect a tertiary, barely-there story like James's over it, and stop acting like "show, don't tell" is supposed to invalidate that. Especially when the resonating effects of that story clearly show up in the main overall plots of the books.