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Casually taking drugs, smoking, binge drinking. Yes, I am a riot at parties.

I won't drink more than one glass. I don't need to get drunk to have fun. Sometimes I don't drink anything but water.

I don't get why getting drunk is normal. Being drunk isn't even fun. Drinking can be fun. Being buzzed can be fun. But hangovers suck, and being drunk sucks.

Then again, I have control issues, and the idea of being in a state where I'm not in control of myself terrifies me.

IA

Getting shitfaced drunk is a big thing in Australia. I just don't get how it's "fun." Then people give me weird looks when I tell them I don't drink.

I swear this is an entire country of alcoholics.

I get you Nonny. I remember the one time I was ever out at a pub with people (it almost 20 years ago now and happened when I was on a Tafe trip) and had one of them trying to talk me into having something other than ice water.

Personally I found it amusing observing how they got drunk while I managed to guzzle down two whole (possible 2L) jugs of water.

Being drunk isn't even fun.

You seriously think million and millions of people get drunk on the regular and don't find it fun? Admittedly, some people get drunk on the regular because they are alcoholics, but I can guarantee you: a lot of people find being drunk extremely fun.

I was one of them, until the negatives began to outweigh the positives and I slowly learned to give it up.

I mean, I don't find getting stoned on pot fun. I find it terrifying. But I'm not going to try to argue that it isn't fun, because it very obviously is hella fun for a lot of people.

Of course I get that people find it fun or they wouldnt' do it. My point is that I don't find it fun and I can't honestly understand why someone would find it fun. Clearly they do, but I don't get it.

a lot of people find being drunk extremely fun.

What do you find fun about it? I turned to Google and it seems to mostly suggest that if you're at a boring place, with boring people, it makes it less boring.

Whoopity-doo. I have an easy solution for that: just leave.

Is that pretty much it or is there more to it?

nayrt

I get a lot more sociable (and flirty). When I drink my social anxiety is basically washed away.

That's self-medicating with alcohol. That doesn't mean drinking is fun, it means it helps ease a symptom of a mental illness you suffer from.

There's a reason why alcoholism has a high comorbidity with social anxiety.

That's self-medicating with alcohol. That doesn't mean drinking is fun, it means it helps ease a symptom of a mental illness you suffer from.

The fact is, positive sensations like pleasure and fun cannot necessarily be separated from negative sensations like anxiety and depression.

One philosophical school of thought is that what we experience as pleasure is most commonly the relief from some distressing negative sensation. The reverse also being true: that what we experience as distress is most commonly the loss/absence of some form of pleasure.

"It was bad, but now it's okay."

"It could be bad, but it isn't."

-and-

"It was good, but now it's not."

"It could be good, but it isn't."

I am not saying, and would not argue, that all we experience as pleasure is merely the absence of distress/discomfort, or vice-versa, but the idea that relief from distress is not in fact a form of pleasure strikes me as not just simplistic or naive but almost boggling obtuse.

Sorry, I feel like my last sentence was a little too much. I was being a bit reactive, because for me (and, I would imagine, for many other anxious/depressed people) it's pretty obvious that the absence of negative feeling is often, in itself, positive feeling.

It's alright. I understand what you mean (I have debilitating anxiety as well), but for me I don't think of being anxiety-free as something pleasurable; I think of it as the way I should be all the time. It doesn't make me feel grateful, the few times I'm free of anxiety. It makes me feel angry that most other people feel that way all the time, and I only get to feel that way a few days out of my life, and yet we're expected to function on the same level.

I drink at most once a month, so it's not like I drink to ease my anxiety all the time. Also there's other things that make drinking fun, like trying out fun drinks with your friends, and making shitty combos. In general as long as not everyone gets totally shit-faced drinking is just fun. In my experience most people are fun drunks.

Is that pretty much it or is there more to it?

Oh, there is WAY more to it.

I mean, the way people experience being drunk is different for everyone (as this thread shows), but for a lot of people, and certainly for myself, I think the best part of being drunk is that EVERYTHING seems like a really good idea, and nothing seems overly difficult or intimidating, and there just seems to be so much possibility. Like if you were a kid and you went to a really good carnival, but you and your friends could jump to the front of any line and go on any rides you wanted for free and play all of the carny games for free. When you're drunk the whole world just sort of opens up and feels like that.

This can lead to plenty of negative ramifications, of course, but while you're drunk it's incredibly freeing and just an absolute delight.

It's such an incredibly good feeling that I actually consider myself lucky I started having nightmarishly bad depressive episodes in the comedown from being drunk. If that hadn't happened, I could definitely see having gone the way of alcoholism.

When you're drunk the whole world just sort of opens up and feels like that.

I can see the appeal in that sort of feeling. You make it sound really interesting, full of potential.

It sucks you can't do it anymore because of the comedowns, but I'm glad you managed to break away from it before you became addicted.

It sucks you can't do it anymore because of the comedowns, but I'm glad you managed to break away from it before you became addicted.

Thanks. It does suck a little, but there are a lot of positives. I'm Canadian, so the price of booze is sky high. Plus drinking in excess inevitably leads to mortifying memories that make you cringe even years later. Plus, in my experience, drinking to have fun does sort of become the new normal, and it becomes really hard to feel like you're truly having fun unless you're drinking. After you stop drinking it takes a while (years, in my experience), but you do slowly start to find sober fun sufficiently fun again, which is really nice. I think I appreciate sober fun more now that I've all-but quite drinking than I did before I'd ever started drinking.

I agree. I love drinking and getting buzzed, but what I can't understand is why anyone would want to go further than that. If all you want is to loosen up a bit, being buzzed works just fine for that.

but what I can't understand is why anyone would want to go further than that.

Well, I just found this in a Psychology Today article (not exactly the iron clad source of the century, but passably credible at least):

"studies have found that the specific effects [of alcohol] depend not just on how much someone drinks, but also on whether blood alcohol content (BAC) is rising or falling; while in the process of drinking, alcohol acts as a stimulant, but as drinking tapers off it begins to act more as a sedative."

When I used to drink I would get pretty manic, and mania tends to want to perpetuate itself, and I remember having an almost instinctive sense that in order to stay manic I had to keep drinking, kind of like riding a wave. Which very quickly leads to being completely wasted.

Something like this is probably what happens for a lot of chronic over-drinkers. And I'm gonna guess that the more manic the alcohol gets you at first, the harder it is to resist the desire to stay manic.

I'll note some of us don't get hangovers. On the other hand, the amount it takes to get me drunk is seriously insane (except for, very specifically, Olive Garden's house blush, which gets me drunk in two glasses; IDGI). I once, when I was college age, did 9 shots of brandy and barely got buzzed. I can count on fingers the number of times I've gotten drunk, because it's too much work.

Casual drug use and binge drinking: people like to get fucked up and cut loose.

Smoking: Come for the cool factor, stay for the nicotine. And if you're into cigars, there's a sensory element (good cigars have very strong tastes and aromas -- my dad was really into them and he always loved when I gave him a couple Churchill or Torpedo-style cigars.)

That's pretty much it. I don't do any of it myself -- can't remember the last time I had alcohol even -- but I do get why people partake.

It feels good (for the people that enjoy it)

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