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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-02-09 06:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3324 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3324 ⌋

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[Music video: Poets of the Fall, "Daze" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di7NMssrqsE)]


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(Anonymous) 2016-02-10 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
But the Moors literally lived right in the middle of Europe in the middle of the Medieval period. North Africa was a religious center, some of the most prominent clergy and philosophers literally came from that area. Eastern Europe, with Constantinople, Jerusalem, etc was extremely key to medieval Catholicism and Islam. The Arabs are an EXTREMELY important part of the medieval period. I mean, we've heard of the Crusades, right? Point is, non-white groups were major players and contributors to the period we call the Middle Ages, even if we limit ourselves geographically to just Europe. And the whole land mass is connected with its major societies. The Mongols, China, etc - there's a whole functioning interconnected world here and it is very hard to take a knife and chop off Europe from the rest of the world and say "we're only talking about this bit".

(Anonymous) 2016-02-10 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
It's hard from a historical point of view - really, just about impossible if you have any kind of fidelity to the truth - but more or less easy from an artistic point of view.

This isn't even an ideological or a partisan point. Just that art is always picking and selecting and eliding and framing things - moments in times and places. If you're telling the story of a medieval village, or some backcountry feud, or something, the historical reality of that place is obviously hugely influenced by the broader European system, but the immediate reality in that village is the thing that you're depicting.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-10 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, sure, if you're writing a story about people living in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere. How many fantasy stories are about villages in the middle of nowhere, and not castles and royalty? Royalty should be especially involved in international affairs for obvious reasons. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that when we're talking about POC in medieval Europe and the fantasy inspired from it, we have something majorly skewed.

[personal profile] dratinis 2016-02-10 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
I said "might" for pretty much all the reasons you stated, though.

There's no denying that the Moors were a huge force in Europe having settled in the Iberia peninsula for 700+ years. The point I was trying to make in replying to another anon is that women in Medieval Europe MIGHT NOT all have been integrated into society, but they sure were active, key players in others societies. If that's the case, why can't fantasy settings expand their scope when it comes to realism? There's no need to chop off Europe, or any other part of Eurasia, in order for a good writer to make their setting work.