[ SECRET POST #3324 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3324 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Dishonored]


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04. [tb #3]
[One Piece]


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[Kung Fu Panda]


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[Music video: Poets of the Fall, "Daze" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di7NMssrqsE)]


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[Digimon Tri]


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(Pokémon)


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 039 secrets from Secret Submission Post #475.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that the argument that having POC/female/LGBT characters in fantasy or sci-fi isn't realistic is a stupid and reaching one. And if it bothers people, that is sad.

I will say that when I've seen this topic come up (just in my experience, only what I've seen the few times I've seen it, etc.), it's usually that people break it out in response to conversations where favorite authors (like Tolkien) are criticized for not having these characters.

And it's not just that it would be nice if those characters were in there but that the work is inherently wrong and bad for not having it. The sense is that you absolutely MUST have POC/female/LGBT/etc. to be worthwhile and that if you as a reader do like these kinds of stories (not to say you DISlike other kinds of stories or that this is the ONLY kind of story you consume) you are left feeling attacked for enjoying them. If you are okay with the story as is and you don't feel the need to genderbend or racebend characters, you're clearly racist and sexist, etc. (To be clear, this is separate from discussions regarding racism/sexism in Tolkien, etc.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, exactly, this is what I'm trying to get across.

I love reading things with women and POC, and actively seek them out.

I also love reading things that don't have women or POC sometimes, and I disagree strongly with the notion that I'm wrong for doing so. Which - whether or not anyone here says it - is an idea that does get put about.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I would think it was weird if you sought stuff out specifically because there were no women, POC, disabled characters, or other minority groups, like they "ruined" the fantasy for you. But there's nothing wrong with stories that are about white men or whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

I need to learn to read all of the comments before I post- I said something similar below. That I think it's usually people defending not including women and minorities in standard hero roles, not complaining about women and minorities already in standard hero roles. Honestly, I feel like the way this secret was put is very nearly a strawman argument.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, there DEFINITELY are people who complain about women / POC being in traditionally heroic roles. It's just a separate thing.