[ SECRET POST #3336 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3336 ⌋

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Comments

Re: genuinely confused

[erinptah]

I would argue that the ideas that a man can be less "gay" if he's in a certain class, or has masculine-enough behavior -- even when he's engaging in the exact same behavior as men who are of a different social class or are more femme in presentation -- are products of classism and sexism.

But I'm happy to substitute "MSM" if you think it's clearer.

And I don't think anyone here has said "Suck one cock, and you're a cocksucker." People are allowed to try different things! People are even allowed to identify as one thing at one point, and then change their minds later on!

That's very different from saying "I regularly, happily, without coercion, go around seeking and enjoying sex with men, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, but, gosh, that doesn't have to mean I'm one of those MSM or anything."

Re: genuinely confused

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Product of heterosexism to be precise, but it is what it is, and ignoring that "gay" is a socially constructed category that is not the same everywhere you go and isn't the same even among different groups in the United States fails to address how we're differently affected by heterosexism.

And the fact remains that between 25% to 50% (in the United States) of MSM don't identify as gay or bi, and probably will not. There's not really much point in trying to frame them as "really" gay or bi.

EDIT: Note that number is even higher for WSW, but since women are considered to be more flexible in their sexuality, we usually don't leap to the assumption that a WSW is necessarily a closeted lesbian.