[ SECRET POST #3336 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3336 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I will dispute the "blowing up planets" thing - that was more Hux and Snoke. Kylo can be implicated insofar as he didn't stop it, but he voiced some opposition to the plan to destroy the Ileenium System with Starkiller - and the film script makes this reading fairly explicit (http://41.media.tumblr.com/1c476e5d953b2d4a2385a748d72dfa7e/tumblr_inline_o0dph9M6kP1rzhl6r_500.jpg).

[(Anonymous)]

He still murdered his own father. Even Vader couldn't bring himself to kill his own son, and this is the guy who murdered children. Unwarranted patricide is brutal and crossing a line imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Vader also killed children, probably even more than Kylo did. You may argue whether or not he deserved redemption, too, but there is precedent for characters being redeemable from a narrative standpoint even after that.

Killing Han was a nasty move, I grant you that, but again I point to what Vader did to Obi-Wan, who he knew for years, was once something of a father figure as well as a close friend, and who he had no visible emotional response to killing. It's implied that Kylo did recognize to at least some degree that what he did to Han was horrible (http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-ending/2/), and Han still thought he was redeemable (http://56.media.tumblr.com/df231d7961ded91b4be68c7ff6c59787/tumblr_inline_o2o6oxJDZ41scy90h_540.jpg) (which, granted, says a lot about Han).

So Kylo's a nasty piece of work, and did horrible things, but the narrative does seem to suggest that he's redeemable, at least moreso than Hux and Snoke (Snoke in particular seems to be being set up as a bigger bad, given he's explicitly the one who screwed up Kylo in the first place).

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking Kylofags.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, I don't even give a shit about star wars but you're being a douche. No one here was insulting anyone or getting nasty before you.

[(Anonymous)]

This seems like a question of right mind stuff. If Kylo had no extenuating circumstances that would be a fair argument IMO, but my sense is there's child grooming and extreme gaslighting stuff that's been going on with Snoke for years. If it's a thing where Kylo's grasp of reality is intensely off I could see him getting a redemption arc in a fair way while realizing he killed Han for no good reason. The act is still horrible and undeserved with Han and all, but I think it's reasonable to say Kylo should be judged differently if he's just going "fuk u daddy" versus "this is an elaborate trick and you're going to have me horribly hurt and killed because the only person I can believe is Snoke and he says so".

Right now it seems like the latter scenario is getting set up given the movie and supporting material, also Force Awakens shows the beginning of Kylo's character arc and it could be really powerful to show him realizing the extent that he's been brainwashed/all his crimes were for nothing. If you've got another idea for how his characterization could progress dramatically over the next two movies without a redemption arc given all the background/the indications of Kylo being torn in Force Awakens I would genuinely be curious to hear though.