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[ SECRET POST #426 ]

⌈ Secret Post #426 ⌋

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It's not your secret? Damn, I was so sure!

Heh! I see the similarities, but pretty babies aside, I definitely prefer the possibility of a friendship. I want to see Maya kick some serious ass next season and grow into herself as a strong character, which I think would be harder to do if she's embroiled in a romance. Plus, I generally prefer strong friendships to romantic relationships in fiction anyway. I really don't want anyone in the show to hook up.

Also, I want to see the look on Sylar's face if/when it happens. It'd be hilarious.

*snerk* YES.

Nope. Sure fooled your there, HAHAHA.

I'm not averse to friendship by any means. Most of my favorite relationships in season one weren't romantic. I think actually when it comes down to it, it's 1) Sylar's reaction and 2) people who promised to leave this fandom actually leaving that's the attraction. :P

Sylar's reaction is awfully tempting. So tempting...

Oh, you know they won't really leave, they'll just bitch all over the place and write character-bashing fic.

Oh, you know they won't really leave, they'll just bitch all over the place and write character-bashing fic.

Why must you burst my bubble with reality?

It's a hobby. :D

Oh, Doakes ... ;_;

I. KNOW. Why did they get rid of him, again? He was integral to the dynamic of the show.

I understand they had to kill him in that situation because it was either that or Dexter on death row, but I fear Dexter is going much the same way as Sylar, sadly. I mean I really like both characters, and I understand that people want to see more of them and that the show creators don't want to kill them (especially in the case of Dexter, since that would kill the series), but I fear they're writing themselves into blind alleys with them. :/ I mean there aren't a whole lot of places you can take homocidal maniacs unless you redeem them or have them found out and caught; what are you going to do, let them continue on their paths? That'll quickly degenerate into the ridiculous. How long can Dexter keep his thing up, and how many times can the show have him be AAAAALMOST caught and then rescue him via deus ex machina? I don't want Dexter to jump the shark, I love the show, but I can't stop feeling they should have ended it, just like I can't stop feeling they should have killed Sylar, though it'd be a horrible loss to never see ZQ play him again ... ;_;

Ohhh, look at me complaining again.

I understand why they killed him once they'd put him in that situation, but I'm sad that situation ever happened. It was interesting, but - Doakes. He brought the kind of antagonism to Dexter no other character in the show does.

I'm hoping Dexter's third season is its last, actually, and it ends with him on death row, for exactly the reasons you stated. They can't continue with the holding pattern forever, nor can they push the envelope much further than they already have. It's going to get old sooner rather than later. I actually think Heroes might have an easier time keeping Sylar around, since it's an ensemble piece, whereas the entirety of Dexter is... well, Dexter.

Sylar's one of my favorites (he was THE favorite in S1, a spot he now shares with Momo), so I'm committed to keeping him around. For that to happen, he can't keep along the same path he has been, because that's already old. Nor can he be redeemed; it's too late for that. It's possible, though, to gradually change him from being a villain to being more of an antihero - just as long as he stops being so obsessed with brains, but keeps the violence and crazy and all-around antisocial personality. One of the reasons his S2 storyline ticked me off so much was that I thought the loss of his powers would be the perfect opportunity to develop him in some new directions, which, with care, could eventually make it plausible that he'd move serial killing down a few items on his list of priorities. Instead, his powerlessness was used solely to isolate him (and Maya and Alejandro suffered for this too) so he didn't interfere with the plot. He really shouldn't have been included in season two at all - or, if they needed to set him up as having the virus in Volume II so he'd have a reason to go after the Company in Volume III, he should have been in the last few episodes only.

The problem with Sylar remaining on the show is that he has to be handled very delicately, or all his storylines will suck forevermore. He can't continue his brain quest, because that'll get boring fast and it'll confine him to tangential plotlines only (since he really can't be the big bad again either). On the other hand, believably moving him away from that would be very tough, and invites many opportunities for the show to be incredibly creepy by downplaying the horror of what he's done and who he is, and generally corrupting the character. A balance has to be struck between keeping Sylar the fucked-up bastard he is, while simultaneously making enough minor adjustments to his character that he can be included in the main plot without everything going to shit. This is totally the shipper in me speaking, but if he forges a connection to Mohinder, that might do it. :P

Frankly, if Sylar continues to be as irrelevant and one dimensional as he was in S2, I want him to be killed off. I'd really like him to stick around, but only if he can be a good character and serve the show well while doing so; if not, there's no point.

End rant.

I agree with pretty much everything you say, which makes me happy. AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT ABOUT SYLAR SINCE BEFORE SEASON TWO BEGAN KRING ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME GRRRR *cough* Sorry. It is indeed a fine line, and one I see the canon too much on one side of (keeping Sylar the gimmicky brain eater though that really won't work beyond season one) and fanon too much on the other side of (fluffy mushy happy Sylar slash and/or Mary Sue romance porn). Based on what we've seen so far I want Joe Pokaski to write Sylar in the beginning of season three, because if he can't pull it off no one can (my bias, let me show you it), and it's almost too bad Pokaski seems to have too much of a hard-on for Mohinder based on both FYG and Cautionary Tales (and a little bit on Fallout, too). But on the other hand, maybe that'll mean he'd hook Mo up with Sylar and totally do my dream scenario of season three: Mo&Sy tag team to take down the company, wooooo!

I can dream. (But I swear, it makes perfect sense. I'm not even saying it as a shipper.)

In general season two dealt very badly with its three "too powerful" characters and the solutions it posed to how to make them less powerful. I was talking about this with Anna the other night, but all of their "solutions" have been obstacles placed on the characters from without (amnesia, time travel, virus) whereas any lasting solution to the "too powerful for the plot" problem needs to come from within through character development. I think Hiro is getting there (that poor, kind soul really doesn't want his powers to drive him to do what he did to Adam ever again), but Peter and Sylar ... we'll see.

As it is now I don't even want a season three of Dexter, but I didn't want a season two either after I finished season one, and then I ended up enjoying season two for the awesome ride it was, anyway, so I'll probably change my mind when season three does come out. But man, I sure hope they won't go on to four and five, especially if they aren't prepared to make the entire show a gimmick and a self-parody where every episode is "Dexter kills! Dexter almost gets caught! DEUS EX MACHINA! LOL ISN'T THIS GRATE?!?!?!1" That could work as a comedy or a genre piece, but really, that's so not what they've intended with this show so far, so anything too gimmicky will be unintentional and embarrassing.

It's been a while since I felt I've engaged in an intelligent discussion about TV. Thanks for your rant. :D

Kring has never once listened to me. >_> Jerk.

Joe Pokaski or Jeph Loeb - and maybe Aron Coliete, because he wrote the Gabriel episodes, but he also said in an interview that he feels that side of Sylar is gone forever. Keeping Sylar around and doing it well will be a very difficult task, so yes, it's the best writers on the staff who'll have to handle it. Bryan Fuller, why have you abandoned us? ;_;

But on the other hand, maybe that'll mean he'd hook Mo up with Sylar and totally do my dream scenario of season three: Mo&Sy tag team to take down the company, wooooo!

Yes. I cannot emphasize my love for this idea enough. It's what I've been desperately hoping for ever since Mohinder and Sylar shared that brief moment in Powerless over the realization that the Company infected Sylar. Sylar will want revenge, and if Mohinder's life is in danger from them - if Bob decides that Mohinder is no longer necessary, a potential threat, and probably won't put out - then Mohinder might have to ally himself with Sylar. If handled correctly (which wouldn't be hard; it's inherently amazing) it would be so awesome that every single other plotline could suck, and Heroes S3 would still be the best season of television ever. (That might be hyperbole. But still.)

I was talking about this with Anna the other night, but all of their "solutions" have been obstacles placed on the characters from without (amnesia, time travel, virus) whereas any lasting solution to the "too powerful for the plot" problem needs to come from within through character development.

Exactly. They can't keep resorting to gimmick after gimmick (or idiot plot after idiot plot) so the uber-powerfuls don't barge in and mess everything up. Some external solutions could still work, though, if they were permanent - like if Peter absorbs more than a set number of powers, his body will overload and he'll die, so he has to control his ability, and nerve damage caused by the virus stripped Sylar of everything but his telekinesis. (I'd really miss his original ability, but he'd just go right back to brain-stealing until he had a similar power repertoire if he retained it.) It honestly doesn't matter to me as much if the explanation for why they're now limited makes perfect sense, though it would be nice if it did, as long as they don't have to be isolated from the real action again. This is why I was so annoyed when Matt got a power upgrade. He controls anything the brain controls? Now he's in the same league as Hiro, Peter, and Sylar. Where is he going to go next season?

The writers of Dexter are talented and creative, so I think they can make a compelling, engaging S3. It's the potential subsequent seasons that worry me.

It's been a while since I felt I've engaged in an intelligent discussion about TV. Thanks for your rant. :D

Heh. Thanks. I rant a lot. *is an embarrassing fangirl*

I want to see Maya kick some serious ass next season and grow into herself as a strong character, which I think would be harder to do if she's embroiled in a romance.

Unless Mohinder gets himself kidnapped, and Maya sets out to rescue him! I mean, it could happen, theoretically.

Actually, now I think about it, I like my romances to be subtle, anyway. When Mohinder was with Eden, it was perfect: it was mostly a friendship, with some sexual tension and eventually one simple kiss, nothing hasty and no pressure and no constant repetitions of "I love you".

I want a deep, honest emotional connection between them before anything else. Mohinder is the only one who can even begin to understand what it's like to have been played by Sylar like Maya was, and vice versa. They are already closer to each other than to anybody else in that regard, so if they'll get romantically involved, then with each other, please. Everything else, at this point, would feel forced.

(It completely startles me that there are people who want Maya to hook up with Matt. They've never even met, and I don't think they'd have anything in common...)

And, yes, Sylar.
Sylar has been a strong factor in Mohinder's life ever since. He has practically gone and ruined (or simply changed) his life, by killing his father and causing Mohinder to come to the USA and to take up the fight against the Company, the virus, Sylar himself and who knows what else.

It's why M3 has an appeal to me: Especially Molly and Mohinder are only together because of Sylar, and they are also together despite Sylar.
He's destroyed their families, but they have reacted by building a new family.
Is that a triumph over Sylar because they have survived him, and have even found something positive in their situations, or is it admitting the power he has over their lives, and therefore a defeat?
I'd really like to hear Sylar's take on that.
In any case, Maya has lost her brother to Sylar, and had her whole existence ruined, from what we can tell. She should be a part of this family.

Unless Mohinder gets himself kidnapped, and Maya sets out to rescue him! I mean, it could happen, theoretically.

asdf;jdsk That would be amazing. ...Could still happen if they're only friends, though. :P

It completely startles me that there are people who want Maya to hook up with Matt. They've never even met, and I don't think they'd have anything in common...

I'd assume these people are Mylar shippers who want to get rid of Matt/Mohinder and Maya/Sylar in one fell swoop.

I'm really glad you brought up that Sylar was so influential in the creation of M3. I'd thought of that, to the extent that he'd been a driving force in all their lives and thus must be a constant lingering specter in the household, but it hadn't clicked for me before this that he'd driven them together. And now he's delivered another traumatized M directly to them. Yeah, Maya definitely belongs with them, and I hope she ends up living there (how much space does that apartment have?). Also, I think it'd be interesting if Mohinder took her to the Company and they trained her. A Maya with exquisite control of her ability would be truly awesome.

I really wish Matt and Mohinder bickered less, and had a more obvious bond with each other, because I'd be such a fan of M3. It's possible that having Maya become a part of their patchwork family will calm them down.

On the other hand, I kind of want Mohinder to be forcibly ejected from the House of M, because I like him to be as miserable and lonely as possible.

On the other hand, I kind of want Mohinder to be forcibly ejected from the House of M, because I like him to be as miserable and lonely as possible.

=O You evil...!

I'd rather want Matt to get back to his wife. Not because I want him out of the way of my ship (you're right that this is probably the motivation for those asking for Matt/Maya) but because I would like to see the two of them... just talk, solve their issues. It feels kind of open and unfinished to me.

Also, I think it'd be interesting if Mohinder took her to the Company and they trained her. A Maya with exquisite control of her ability would be truly awesome.

I am really curious what attitude Mo will have towards the Company, after he learned that they had saved Sylar's life to experiment on him with the virus, and this almost killed Molly and him, wah...
aya with control over her abilities might almost be too powerful. If she learned to focus it on only one person, instead of killing everyone in sight, she might really become a force to be reckoned with... But then again, the limiting factor is that she's a nice person who would rather not kill anybody, I take it, and her ability seems to be slow-working enough that someone might fight back or escape... *idle speculations*

...I am a little evil. But Matt could logically say that Mohinder seems to attract perils such as the Company and Sylar, and since both of these are also threats to Molly, Mohinder should probably go. Because Mo loves Molly and he's self-sacrificing, he would. And it would cause him much emotional pain, and I'd love it. ^_^

I was never invested enough in Matt and Janice's relationship to really care one way or another whether they get closure, and I'm very much against having a baby on the show so I don't want Matt to reconnect with his son, either. What I want is for Audrey to come back. I loved her.

I'm hoping that Mohinder decides is up to no good (or the Company decides that he's up to no good) and there is a violent separation. :D Then Mohinder can take them down ~~with Sylar~~ and it will be amazing.

Maya's already demonstrated that she can unleash her ability, incapacitate her opponent, and then reabsorb it before it kills anyone. If she knew how to direct it, she'd be a truly formidable fighter. This does create a problem, since her limiting factor is that she doesn't like to kill people, but I don't see it as much of one; her ability is highly specialized, so although it's dangerous, even if she becomes very good with it, it probably won't interrupt the plot like some powers have the potential to do. And having Maya empowered, independent, and in control is a huge plus in my book.

Technically, I tink that whther or not she'sstaying with Mohinder, the Company knows of Molly and woudn't just frget all about her if Mohinder was no longer with her.
But that doesn't matter, because
a) it's Mohinder's apartment,
b) I think "family" means sticking together, not throwing out a member that happens to have big problems at the moment...
This arrangement isn't just about mere survival of one person, but the emotional well-being of all. Else they could have given Molly to nice, uninvolved foster parents from the start.

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Sorry it took me so long to reply. >_<

I agree that that isn't at all what family is about, but I do think it's plausible that Mohinder would make that choice, if he felt he was endangering everyone. And to be completely honest, I'm not a huge M3 fan, and I really like unhappy!Mohinder (I'm a bad person!), so it's a tantalizing possibility for me.

I also really want to see the M3 dynamic explored more, though, so I could go either way. Or any way. At this point, I just want something interesting to happen.

But he'll be unhappy anyway! Sylar is back! Bob lied to him! And there'll be additional problems in Season 3 for sure!
There is not really the need to add any additional drama of the soap opera "custody battle" kind. ;)

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