[ SECRET POST #3339 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3339 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Taylor Swift]


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(Hamilton the Musical)


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[Pokemon]


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[Supernatural - Jensen Ackles and Misha Collins]


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[Pokemon]


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07. [titc]


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[Battlestar Galactica]


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[Fried Green Tomatoes]


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10. [TW: rape]






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[Good Omens, by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman]
















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Comments

[ketita]

...I'm not sure what you want me to answer?
I mean a) that's your experience, I haven't read anything like that myself
b) not all things taught in HS are actually really good, and there's lots of great literature that isn't taught or is taught badly
c) I don't know what you were taught in HS
d) I don't know what fics you're talking about

[feotakahari]

I'm not really sure which books you mean when you say "literary masterpieces" either. I'm just saying that it seems like kind of a shaky standard.

Someone smarter than me could probably gender this. My experience of "masterpieces" is that they're books that make good use of symbolism, whether or not they have much in the way of character depth. Conversely, fanfics are praised when they have touching relationships between characters, but symbolism tends to be surface-level. Take how often emotional depth is framed as something "for girls," throw in the oft-repeated lie that fandom is a female-dominated space, and you're halfway to an essay on The Mary Sue.

[ketita]

Huh. That's not my experience at all. I think of masterpieces as generally containing excellent prose, believable characters, some philosophical element, speak to Humanity beyond the sphere of the story itself, and ideally lead the reader through some form of emotional transformation.
Symbolism is just a tool of writing, albeit a good one. Equating quality with symbolism is probably what I would refer to as "teaching literature badly".

And I disagree about "emotional depth", because equating feelings with "for girls" is not something that was done in most of history. Plenty of books are exceedingly emotional, and written by men about men. If anything, I'd argue that a lot of fanfics don't truly have great emotional depth, it's just that they wallow in emotions.

[feotakahari]

Okay, I seriously want an example of a masterpiece now. The description you're giving is one that I wouldn't apply to any book I've read.

[ketita]

Well, I should first disclaim that no book is flawless. But I can give a few examples of works that impressed me and stayed with me.

Dusk, by F. Sionil Jose. It's by an Indonesian author, about a family exiled from their home village in the 1880s. I thought there was som real gentleness and humanity in the portrayal, and I liked the way the family was shown. Their connections were so real. Admittedly, the first half of the book worked better for me than the second half, but still. I want to own this book.

Anna Karenina, by Tolstoy. Even though I don't necessarily agree with his outlook on life, I thought that he portrayed some very real characters, and very vividly showed the way people move in society. He also showed the characters themselves warring with philosophy (this is a thing Tolstoy does, haha).

The Last of Hanak'o, by Ch'oe Yun. It's a short story, and normally I'm not crazy about those, but there is just so much to unpack in this one, and the way the author shows the different levels of the story is pretty amazing.

...anyway, these are just some that jumped to my mind/that I've read recently.

[(Anonymous)]

I found The Grapes of Wrath pretty moving, but YMMV.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you me, anon? Because I was seriously about to say this.

I feel something approaching reverence for that book, and for Steinbeck as an author.