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What I've learned from FS: "You do you... unless it's gender-related!"

OP uses the words "characters" and "stories," so they get a pass from me. You do you, OP.

Except the "story" in the secret is autobiographical, as in based on a real person.

Not to mention they're pretty smug and self congratulatory about how they like to ignore a person's identity that they don't approve of or care for.

DA This. Not to mention, they prefer to overlook transpeoples identities purely for their own sexual gratification. It's pretty tasteless.

yeah i dont know why they have to do this with stories/manga about actual trans people rather than just sticking to the plenty of fetishy yaoi about boys crossdressing that exist? whyyyy

And sexual fantasies should always be 100% tasteful.

Let's unpack this.

1. There's tons of fiction, fanfiction, movies, TV shows, etc that cover gay relationships out there.

2. Trans people writing about their own lives are a tiny minority in terms of global media output.

3. OP enjoys stories that are about gay relationships.

4. OP prefers to get sexual gratification from deliberately misinterpreting somebody's autobiography in a way that would be offensive to the author, rather than simply reading about an actual gay relationship.

5. OP also enjoys bragging about it.

The last point is the clincher there I think. I'm not the thought police, but don't air your fucked up sexual gratification to the world and then brag about how unrepentant you are.

OP didn't air this to the world, they posted it on a Fandom Scerets community, so I'm assuming it's not something they're willing to admit to in public.

in a way that would be offensive to the author

I can see this is extremely offensive to you, but you don't know that it would be offensive to the author.

You don't realize that a lot of transwomen don't like being told "I think of you as a man"? Okay then.

The author is not a lot of trans women. She's one trans woman. You are presuming to speak on her behalf.

Oh shut up. If a particular black person was like "Yo it's totally okay if you call me a ni**er", logic doesn't dictate that it's alright to then think of all black people as "ni**ers" and to indulge your fantasy of reading "ni**er" porn. Every time this type of argument comes up "well my friend says it's totally okay if I call her a shemale! So therefore somehow I'm not being offensive to everyone else!" I just want to wring someone's neck. This particular trans woman went through the trouble of transitioning in a country where trans rights are stuck in the 90's, I'm willing to bet she doesn't intend for people to see her as a man. Notice how there are quotation marks around "boy" when she speaks about her childhood?

Like get a fucking clue.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-02-28 02:35 (UTC) - Expand

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My best friend is a transwoman. The shit she has to put up with is unbelievable. That includes dick heads constantly undermining her existence by telling her she's really a man on an almost daily basis. She ended up trying to take her life last year.

But sure, let's defend the OP here.

Cuting off your dick doesn't make you a woman, anon.

Well, I didn't know it was autobiographical, so maybe OP didn't, either.

I don't see anything in the secret that says that don't approve of or care for trans women's identities. All they're saying is that they read them as gay men.

Look, all of my own fetishes are problematic. Both radfems and libfems have been equally shitty to me about it. So I always err on the side of leniency when it comes to people's fantasies.

The comic makes it pretty clear its autobiographical so I'm guessing OP knows.

And dismissing/disbelieving in someone's identity can be just as bad as disapproving of it. If OP has a crossdresser kink there is plenty of actual media focused on that without them having to be sleazy about a trans woman's autobigraphy.

How does it make it clear that it's autobiographical? By having the character introduce herself to the audience? You don't read much if you think that's uncommon in fiction.

my dude, i'm pretty lenient about peoples fantasies too, but for someone to say that they read trans women as gay men, that is, yes, inherently implying they don't care about trans womens' identities. come on, please think critically.

I'm not a dude. It's puzzling how I get labeled as one by feminists all the time.

I think it's just as shitty to police people's sexual fantasies as you think it is to not care about gender identities. Honestly, I don't even think we should give people a hard time about RPF because none of us can help what turns us on. We're lucky that fandom is the only place in society that comes close to allowing us to explore our fantasies.

da but most people use "dude" as a gender neutral term, especially when its in the context of "my dude"

Ah. I'd never heard the term. Am I showing my age? :)

Hey, I got about a million male actors and characters who have been telling you that they're heterosexual here. They're here to repossess your moral high horse.

Everyone knows white cishet men can't be fetishized because something something privilege.

Well, 1) Fandom has repeatedly called out people who insist heterosexual actors are secretly gay. Tinhatting RPF fans are not a popular bunch. And 2) Fictional characters are not capable of being hurt by fantasy (That being said, 'I prefer to read trans characters as crossdressers' is different from 'I literally don't see trans people as the gender they identify as so I am going to read it in a way most sexually pleasing to me' since the latter says a lot about how they feel about REAL people), but the main character of this manga IS NOT FICTIONAL. This is an autobiography. Which means thoughts about the character are thoughts about A REAL PERSON.

Don't forget 'YKINMK, unless it's, like, extra double gross'.

Incest: dandy; misgendering grown-ups: unmitigated villainy. Great, guys.

well its like, not even about the kink, though. like clearly in other comments no one gives a shit if OP has a crossdressing kink or some shit because that's totally fine & normal. but knowingly dismissing a persons identity without regret to get ones rocks off? it's jarring to say the least.