[ SECRET POST #3352 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3352 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[feotakahari]

For lack of a better phrasing, I don't think I'm qualified to evaluate Moen any other way than how she evaluates herself. She put so much time, effort, and thought into dissecting her identity, and in the end she couldn't really come up with a better idea of who and what she was than "I guess I'm just me." Her self-evaluation seemed interesting and internally consistent to me, and without actually knowing her, I can't say any more than that.

As for the reviewer and sex, it came off to me like the reviewer thought it was immoral for a woman to have sexual thoughts about another woman because that meant "objectifying" her. It felt like coming full circle to the "gay is bad" viewpoint I get from conservatives.

Edit about self-obsessed: isn't that kind of the thing with journal webcomics? I wouldn't say DAR shows any more self-obsession than The Oatmeal, for instance.

[scrubber]

That seems perfectly fair.

I really think the issue with that comic was all in the presentation. The first half just comes off as an exercise in "I'm not like other girls" which I guess is fine, but then the "punch-line" is basically a point on how now she and her husband can check out women together, as opposed to maybe something concluding some kind of meaningful self-exploration. Or Hell, just something funny. But what it is a panel of her announcing in public that she would totally bang a stranger, concurred by her husband (who apparently calls lesbians "dykes" no problemo), while the stranger is displeased. The cherry on top is in the subtitle where she refers to her "love of pussy" which I can see why people would think is crude and well, objectifying. (I just think it's a try-hard attempt to prove her attraction is valid by making it as crude as possible but whatever.) It's a pretty textbook example of "If you were a guy no one would think this was funny but a girl being shitty is okay." I think having a bad reaction to that comic is pretty valid. (EDIT: the execution of the message is the issue, not the message, is what I was trying to say)

You're probably right that making a webcomic that is just your life is pretty self-obsessed, but I can let it go if I really feel that the artist is funny, insightful, or interesting. Moen strikes me as someone with just nothing to say. Hence stuff like that Dead Dad comic. What a bunch of fart noises.

[blitzwing]

Are you sure you're not holding her to a different standard than you do straights and gay males? Because people make "wants the d" jokes left and right, but a queer woman acknowledging she loves pussy is somehow wrong and gross?

There is a very real problem with female/female love being desexualized, with this idea being perpetuated that girl/girl love is supposed to be so special and pure and fluffy and not be tainted by icky things like wanting to fuck each other.

F/F relationships are frequently sexually objectified, but there's a flip-side where they're nonsexually objectified and fetishized. Queer women are caught in a nasty false dichotomy-either you're expected to be a performing sex object, or you're scolded for wanting to fuck other women-how can you be gross and nasty and lust after women's bodies, just like those nasty men!

[scrubber]

It's a pretty textbook example of "If you were a guy no one would think this was funny but a girl being shitty is okay."

Yes, I'm sure.

[blitzwing]

I've heard straight guys talking about sticking their fists up girls' vaginas and the noises it makes, and no one batted an eyelash, let alone gave them flack over it. But a queer woman admits she likes pussy and that's "crude"? Well, I'm glad you're sure.

[scrubber]

Maybe you should talk to them instead.

[blitzwing]

Oh, I did. It was more fun than talking to someone who thinks queer woman shouldn't admit to liking pussy.

[scrubber]

Man, you really are as great as they say.

[blitzwing]

Thanks. You should take a leaf out of my book and try not shaming queer women for being queer--it does wonders for your moral character.

[scrubber]

Ho

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shit.

[blitzwing]

I can give you pointers if you're not sure where to start.