[ SECRET POST #3363 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3363 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Anti-capitalists

[philstar22]

The entire nature of capitalism is that it helps some people, but only some people, and that at the expense of the people at the bottom. That is the way it works. So yes, poor people and others who have been hurt by capitalism have a right to be bitter.

Re: Anti-capitalists

[(Anonymous)]

Most bitter anti-capitalists are middle class, not poor.

Re: Anti-capitalists

[philstar22]

And middle class people are disadvantaged by capitalism too, though not to the same extent as poor people.

Re: Anti-capitalists

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, only the top ones can reap the full benefits of capitalism... just like it has been in all other previous economic systems.

So yes, capitalism isn't perfect, but the why is important, just as what parts of it are actually good is. Being just anti-capitalism doesn't help.

Re: Anti-capitalists

[philstar22]

But the whole unequal thing is actually built into capitalism. It is inherently like that. Any improvements are brought about by regulating and limiting capitalism and making it more like socialism.

Personally, I think the best option is a mix of the two, but with more socialism than capitalism.

Re: Anti-capitalists

[(Anonymous)]

Like all economic systems, because socialism and communism may talk about equality, but if history is to be taken into account, the results still tend to be more equal-inequality (less people in the middle, more in the bottom) instead of actual improvements.

IA that a mix may be better though.
Hell, so far mixed markets have been pretty successful in some countries (maybe even more than pure capitalist ones), but most of them have been not big and advanced enough countries, with a culture that made that success possible.

But that's the main issue: what works in one place and time may not work everywhere else due to several factors.

Re: Anti-capitalists

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree with that at all, from a theoretical point of view. The whole basic principle of capitalism is that you have exchanges that are mutually beneficial, where each person improves their utility, and it's something that exists both in theory and in practice. I think that a system of capital and investment is a reasonably good system for allocating capital to its best advantage, and that's something that makes the economy work better for everyone, leads to more plenty for everyone. And I think that, in reality, for all of capitalism's many flaws, it has led to vast improvements for the world that were to everyone's advantage. So it's both a macro and a micro scale thing.

I agree that it is and has been exploitative, and that workers have rarely gotten in practice a return on their labor equal to their contribution, and that it has had a million other malign effects in its existing implementation. But I don't think that's necessarily intrinsic to a capitalist market system in theory. I definitely don't think it's a theoretical foundation of the ideology.