[ SECRET POST #3365 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3365 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As a person who tends to find villains for more interesting and complex than heroes, I agree with this secret. I don't woobify villains, I recognise the terrible deeds that they have done. Nor do I 'Ron the Deatheater' heroes.

However, there is the point that, from the villains perspective, the heroes are the ones who are the villains (for example, Loki absolutely thinks that he's doing what is right and that Thor and The Avengers are wrong).

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure that Loki's a valid example here, anon. Depending on which version you're thinking of, anyhow. More than one version of Loki has been known gleefully start slinging his powers around just for shits and giggles. And most of the times I've seen Loki - classic comic and movie versions both - he doesn't actually think he's in the right. Like, at all. Aside from maybe a "victory makes right" sort of definition. Otherwise, many version of him tend to thoroughly enjoy being a villain.

I'll agree to your main point, though. Most of the villains who have A Cause will absolutely believe that they are in the right, and anyone who opposes them is Wrong. Be it because they don't appreciate what the villain is trying to accomplish, or too weak to do what's necessary, not good enough to be part of the villain's brave new world, etc., etc. Villains like that tend to be interesting, sometimes terrifying, but never one-dimensional. (When written/acted correctly, anyhow.)

[(Anonymous)]

SA

To clarify: Movie Loki early in the first Thor movie definitely thought he was in the right. But by the time we get to the end of The Dark World, he's clearly decided that if he's going to be cast as the villain, then SO BE IT, he will play down to everyone's worst expectations.

[(Anonymous)]

The characterization in Dark World is all over the place. It's extremely hard to tell what his motivation is (as much as Hiddleston turns in another solid performance), and none of it addresses the various theories about why he rolled so hard into villainy during The Avengers - and how much Thanos was behind it. So, yeah, Dark World is easily him going down the road of LET ME BE EVIL... but a lot will depend on what happens in Ragnarok, too.

Not to detract from Loki's own responsibilities for his actions - so much of what he's done is specifically on him.

But then this is kind of my dogfight since I just came out of two years of writing fic exploring these exact questions while trying to avoid the woobie traps.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but depending on where and when you look in comic Thor canon there's some possibility of Loki being trapped by meta in the role of a villain and is stuck between trying to break out because he knows it always ends shitty and embracing it because he's too stuck. It seems like a kind of neat post-modern commentary IMO.

There are also some really neat comics where the possibility is presented that he might be literally 100% full throttle delusional, like he makes up stories in his head about terrible things that happened to him that never actually happened and readers just don't know.

He's a villain yeah, but it seems like depending on where you wanna draw influence shit can get real interesting and complicated and levels of sympathy or tragedy can vary.

[(Anonymous)]

Loki is also utterly bugfuck insane at pretty much any point after the heritage reveal in Thor, and is an amoral asshole even before that.

He's not really a good example of "from a certain point of view".

[(Anonymous)]

Lokifag pls go