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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-03-14 06:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #433 ]


⌈ Secret Post #433 ⌋

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karel: (text; why would you do that?)

[personal profile] karel 2008-03-14 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Honestly, I'm going to take a risk and say I agree with you here. Yes, we're the zomgmajoritygroup so apparently we have no right to whine, but it's still frustrating that we take heat for something that's a way of life for us.

It's like how female gamers often have to hide their gender in order to be taken seriously -- it's not right, no matter how you look at it. If you're having to hide part of yourself to gain acceptance, then there's something wrong.

Not that I personally want to be more open about my faith because to me, it's a somewhat personal thing (that, and my beliefs differ somewhat from "mainstream" Christianity), but it's still annoying that any discussion of it turns into an I'm-more-oppressed-than-you contest.

[identity profile] kinneas.livejournal.com 2008-03-14 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Not that I'm specifically disagreeing with you :), but women are a minority group, and in the West, Christians are not. It's not quite analogous.

Don't get me wrong, discrimination is horrible no matter who's doing it to who, but the fandom Christian group can log off and get sympathy from 90% of the United States.
karel: (text; invent human beings)

[personal profile] karel 2008-03-14 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
but the fandom Christian group can log off and get sympathy from 90% of the United States.

I think it's not so much that a lot of people want sympathy. All the sympathy in the world can't stop people from being asses to you and sometimes sympathy isn't quite enough to make you feel better about Anonymous calling all their friends over to tear into you because you happen to believe a certain way. People all deserve to be treated civilly, and I really don't think a percentage should affect that.

It's just a bit frustrating to be stereotyped as hatemongering evangelists when most of us (especially in fandom, though you've got your crazies everywhere)... aren't.

[identity profile] kinneas.livejournal.com 2008-03-15 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
That wasn't really my point, though. I said and I continue to understand that it sucks no matter who's doing it---but again, a situation in the real world where atheists can't be people in political power, are frequently understood to have "no moral or ethical code", and even in religiously tolerant texts (see: More's Utopia) are pariahs.

It is certainly frustrating to be the butt of anyone's discrimination, but it certainly feels a lot worse, I think, when a serious minority status affects far more than one's feelings.

This doesn't, of course, diminish what Christians put up with on occasion, but I think it should lend some perspective.

[identity profile] kinneas.livejournal.com 2008-03-14 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
...Actually that might be 80% now, my bad.