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⌈ Secret Post #3378 ⌋

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[kallanda_lee]

I...think it's sort of the point that almost no-one in a post-apocalyptic world is "untainted" so to speak - so no, our protagonists might not be pure a virginal snow. But you know what - the don't need to be. The are people-trying--survive versus a guy who treats people like actual chattel. I just...can't get over not seeing the gradations here.

Also, I dunno, if you like action movies - how can you not find it visually amazing? It's basically one giant nerve-wrecking car chase.

I mean, it's okay not to like things. And it has been over-hyped. But I feel like your reasons for not liking it are sort of bizarre.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I didn't really want anyone to be pure, I wanted them to be compelling as individuals beyond 'oh no, a bad thing is happening to me, I want to leave' which is not something I really got. I'd prefer the protagonists escape, but I wasn't really able to relate to them on any level beyond 'well anyone else would want to leave if they were in that situation, naturally'.

And it was a good enough car chase, but it was just so over the top to the point where I ended up tuning out. That's the weird part, the first movie with the level of realism it had to it kept me much more engaged. This felt more like a spectacle, flashy and dramatic but not really all that interesting. I like it when action tells a story; the only story this was telling was 'add more fire / ha ha cult and stuff' which was... pretty much already established early on. I didn't feel that it did much to develop the characters. I got a lot more out of the scene with the tree and them struggling to start the truck than the actual chases.

[kallanda_lee]

Fair enough - I think I understand your reasons for disliking it a little bit better now. It's not how I experienced the movie at all - but hey, not everything works for everyone. Sounds like you went in hoping for /expecting something else, and were disappointed when it didn't deliver, which I can understand.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000 to your second paragraph. I also agree with the first paragraph, though to a lesser extent.

I also found this film very much not to my taste, and just generally not as good as it had been made out to be. I found the parts that appealed to my feminist sensibilities overly obvious, and the rest was just a big "no thanks."

[(Anonymous)]

Were you expecting it to be primarily an action flick when you went in?

[(Anonymous)]

DA but "I'm not going to root for the lesser evil as a hero just because it's the lesser evil" is a far cry from "I can't tell that this is a lesser evil at all herp derp"

Not about MMFR but arguing in principle: being a lesser evil doesn't make a character automatically personally compelling. Giving it nothing else but that is lazy writing. Plenty of stories, especially action movies, fail in the same way - by assuming the evil is heinous enough so that of course the reader is on the hero's side by default so they don't worry about making the heroes compelling on their own.

See: 90% of 30 y/o white male video game protagonists

[kallanda_lee]

The're not...evil, though? They're not actively saving puppies, but they just strike me as regular people trying to survive in a shit world.

I mean, if OP doesn't connect to them,that's fine, but evil isn't a word I'd use for them.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry if I confused you, I was referring to your shades of gray statement, not making a moral judgment on the characters. Substitute lighter shade of gray for lesser evil then. The principle still applies.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here and yeah I think this is sort of it, like - I LIKED Furiosa being a woman, I think it worked for her, but I really struggled to get a sense of her character beyond 'what is happening is unfair and bad and I am leaving!1 also I am strong'. Which doesn't make her a bad character, but at the same time I just wanted - or expected - more.

Like just taking the 30 y/o white male video game protagonist and making them a woman instead does not make a story inherently more interesting. It's sort of, hey, cool, we went from a relatively flat guy to a relatively flat girl instead. I just feel like Mad Max Fury Road had a lot of wasted potential. Tossing women into things and throwing the ideas of themes around doesn't really mean much when those points aren't engaged with or really developed.

[(Anonymous)]

I just feel like Mad Max Fury Road had a lot of wasted potential. Tossing women into things and throwing the ideas of themes around doesn't really mean much when those points aren't engaged with or really developed

THIS. THANK YOU.

[(Anonymous)]

On the other hand, action blockbusters are a genre that doesn't tend to go overboard with characterization - there are plenty of flat protagonists in great explosion-flicks. So if you have to change that aspect of them just to have a female protagonist, then you're essentially freezing them out of the genre as it stands. Which I don't think is a positive thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Nicely stated. Action blockbusters aren't Casablanca, and they shouldn't have to be; they just need to be great action blockbusters. And having more female characters whose role in the film can't be reduced to the letters T and A is, imo, part of what makes a great action blockbuster great.

[(Anonymous)]

...Casablanca was a generic B-movie when it came out. It has a lot more in common with MMFR than you think.