[ SECRET POST #3379 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3379 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[FullMetal Alchemist]


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[Supernatural]


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[Once Upon a Time]


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[Happiness!]


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[Lord of the Rings trilogy]


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[Marble Hornets/TroyHasACamera]


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[Wicked Tuna, Dave Carraro]


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Comments

[philstar22]

By worse I mean how he treated children. Yes, he helped save the world. That does not make him a good person. He was also a bully to children.

[(Anonymous)]

I would think saving the world would tip the scales over being mean to people.

[philstar22]

That makes him a hero, but it doesn't make him a good person. Adults bullying children is a pretty big deal. He was Neville's greatest fear, not Voldemort or even Bellatrix who murdered his family. He's clearly traumatized children.

[(Anonymous)]

His greatest fear at that moment. I think if Voldemort was back or Bellatrix had escaped from Azkaban at the time it would be different.

I mean, Hermione's greatest fear was failing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think her biggest fear would still be failing. She just has different things to fail now.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a stupid argument. At the time he had no reason to fear Bellatrix or Voldemort. His parents were tortured when he was a baby, he had never met Bellatrix and had no reason to fear her as she was locked up. Similarly as far as he knew Voldemort was gone.

[(Anonymous)]

He'd just run into Dementors at the beginning of the year that made him relive his worst memories (it's not a hard bet that hearing how his parents got into the state they're currently in would be among them). It's BS that Neville would have no reason to fear Bellatrix.

[(Anonymous)]

As far as I remember Neville wasn't that affected by the Dementors in comparison to everyone else. Harry got the worst of it. There's not a lot to indicate that he was similarly traumatized or that he was forced to relive what happened -- if he was even there to begin with. Harry was there when his parents died.

What reason would he have to fear Bellatrix? She's locked up. She's not after him. He's in Hogwarts. His parents' mental state is something he's dealt with all of his life. Even after she escaped I don't think it was ever established that he was afraid that she would come after him. He was probably ANGRY as we saw in OotP but that's not the same thing.

Conversely Snape is something that's very much in the present for him.

And hell Ron's worst fear is a spider even though just the past year his sister was kidnapped and almost killed-- are we supposed to believe that spiders bothered him more?

[(Anonymous)]

Ron's fear wasn't just a spider, it was a giant spider, an Acromantula, and considering he'd nearly been killed by a bunch of them the year before, yes I think we're supposed to believe that was a serious, deep-rooted fear.

Harry got the worst of the Dementors, but Neville and Ginny were both mentioned being more shaken than even Ron and Hermione (who'd seen plenty to be afraid of themselves) for a reason. Neville goes to see his parents at St. Mungo's on a regular basis, there's no way he doesn't know how they got that way, and that very same year (PoA, third year) they were dealing with Sirius Black - Bellatrix's cousin - being the first Azkaban escapee ever, and that was terrifying everyone. Neville had good reason to fear that Bellatrix might be able to pull off the same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

You're making assumptions when there was nothing in the books even after Bellatrix escaped after Voldemort returned that indicated Neville had any deep-seated fears of her coming after him. So assuming that he had any present fear of her when she was actually locked up and he was in Hogwarts is a stretch.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a stretch that the Boggarts brought out serious, deep-rooted fears in several of the students who technically should have had other things to fear than what their Boggarts appeared as. I'm not arguing that Neville was afraid of Bellatrix, I'm arguing that there's canonical evidence he did have other things to fear - the Dementors affecting him badly, Bellatrix's cousin being on the loose - and yet it's Snape that presents as his biggest fear, on the level that Ron fears Acromantulas (which nearly killed him) and Harry fears Dementors (which make him relive his parents' deaths). Both are things that visibly traumatized Ron and Harry, it's no surprise that people draw the conclusion that Snape traumatized Neville.

[(Anonymous)]

What evidence is there that he was scared of Sirius because he was cousins with Bellatrix over him being an assumed mass murderer at the time? Was he even aware that they were related?

And Ron was always scared of spiders even as a child. There's nothing to indicate that the encounter with Aragog scarred him, he got over it fairly quickly and didn't even mention it in PoA.

[(Anonymous)]

Ron was violently throwing up after the encounter with Aragog and the other giant spiders, and he "yelped" when Harry woke him up again later that night, suggesting nightmares: he was clearly traumatized. I never said that encounter caused his arachnophobia, I said that it exacerbated it. The Boggart turned into a giant spider, not a regular one, or even one that would have been the size of Ron's old teddy bear.

Neville's family is one of the sacred Twenty-Eight along with the Blacks, I find it impossible to believe he wouldn't know Sirius and Bellatrix are related. The exact nature of Neville's fear is irrelevant, my point was more that there was a mass murderer with familial ties to his parents' torturer on the loose, that Neville is more deeply affected by Dementors than Hermione (who's stared down a freaking Basilisk) and Ron (Aragog, giant chess sets, Dark Lords possessing his sister, take your pick really); he had other things to logically fear. But his Boggart is still Snape.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it was logical to fear Bellatrix or Sirius (at least more than everyone else) but the burden of proof is still on you to suggest he actually did.

Because again -- even when Bellatrix ESCAPED and Voldemort was back I don't recall Rowling ever suggesting that Neville was frightened or worried about her. Similarly, there was not a lot to suggest that Neville was frightened of Sirius in a similar fashion.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure where that burden of proof is meant to come in? Because obviously I believe the text presents us with clear cues that at this point in PoA, there are things in Neville's life that should logically give him more to fear than a rotten teacher. He has an above-normally bad reaction to Dementors, his parents were Crucioed into clinical insanity, we know this has had an impact on him because of his freakout in Goblet of Fire when Crouch!Moody demonstrates the Cruciatus curse; and the mass murdering cousin of his parents' torturer is currently on the loose. I can't tell if you agree or not that the text gives us these cues? If you don't then you don't, but it's a valid reading.

Whether Neville actually fears these things is irrelevant to the point that Neville is not some sheltered child who has no reason in the world to fear anything worse than his mean teacher at this time. That's why it's significant that the teacher shows up as his Boggart. Logically, he does has worse things to fear, just like Ron - given everything he's seen up to this point - should logically have worse things to fear than an Acromantula, just like Harry should logically fear Voldemort or even Sirius at this point, more than a Dementor. That doesn't negate the fears that show up as their Boggarts, it simply suggests that their Boggarts are things they've found particularly traumatizing.

[(Anonymous)]

If you are suggesting that Snape being mean had more of an effect on Neville than his parents being tortured... then yes I disagree with you.

It's not a matter of being 'sheltered'. It just means that Neville does not have a present FEAR of the situation. His parents have been insane all his life. The person responsible has been in prison all her life. He is not in any danger nor is he a target. It's not even the same thing as Voldemort who was targeting Harry when his parents died and knows Voldemort is still after him.

Conversely Snape is a bigger deal as he is something that affects Neville right now.

And the burden of proof is on you to suggest Neville has any fear over Bellatrix returning before she did because else wise you can't argue that was a major event on his mind. I'm sure seeing the Cruciatus curse would bring back bad memories but that does not equal fear.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm saying that Snape was traumatizing enough to override the effect of his parents' torture and all the other things Neville has seen/should logically have to fear, at this point in time, yes.

I don't see why the immediacy of Snape as a threat compared to anything else is meant to mitigate that because, like I keep pointing out, Neville reacts notably badly to being triggered by those memories (or whatever it is that make him respond the way he does); the fact that it happened so long ago doesn't seem to change that, and considering one of those triggering incidents happened less than a week before the first lesson with Boggarts, one would expect it to still be on his mind. He has it relatively fresh in his mind, and Snape is still what shows up as his Boggart.

I mean, unless you're saying the trauma with his parents would have been more grief-inducing than fear-inducing? But given the way that it happened, his parents were basically "killed" during a crime. This background was supposed to be what partially explained Neville's earlier personality, which was a little scared of most things. Heck, Neville was petrified at just the thought of being alone with Crouch!Moody after he showed them the Cruciatus, and he was pale and shaking, eyes wide, etc, during the actual demonstration, enough that Hermione had to call attention to it. I'm not sure how many more ways there are to say this, but the exact nature of Neville's fear is irrelevant when it was made so clear that fear was a big part of his earlier personality, and this incident is what shows he has more reason than most for that to be the case. I find it really hard to believe he came away from it with no fear.

More to the point, Neville has seen more terrifying things than Snape: he saw Fluffy the three-headed dog in PS, he was in the Forbidden Forest when Voldemort was going around killing unicorns. Sirius Black was on the loose and everyone was afraid of that, and yet again, Neville had slightly more reason than most to be disturbed by this, which makes it hard to believe he was the only one unafraid, regardless of who Sirius was targeting.

[(Anonymous)]

Ron's arachnophobia is from when Fred and George turned his teddy bear into a giant spider.

[(Anonymous)]

Ron was violently throwing up after the encounter with Aragog and the other giant spiders, and he "yelped" when Harry woke him up again later that night, suggesting nightmares: he was clearly traumatized. I never said that encounter caused his arachnophobia, I just meant that it exacerbated it. The Boggart turned into a giant spider, not a regular one, or even one that would have been the size of Ron's old teddy bear.