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⌈ Secret Post #3381 ⌋

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Comments

[iggy]

I agree with this. The extreme backlash against FinnRey and Ichabod/Abbie, for example.

Slash fandom is just so predominant nowadays that it is a larger part of the conversation. Also you have people like Aja Romano going around crusading for white slash being totally progressive et al (in her case, she even argued that it was 'more progressive' than femslash), and I think that gets people more riled up.

(The insistence on Donna ending up with Lee was irritating. What we saw of their relationship in the library wasn't even a healthy one.)

[(Anonymous)]

I can't comment to FinRay, because I haven't seen Star Wars, but the fact Ichabod was MARRIED AND DEVOTED TO HIS WIFE did put the kibosh on quite a few people who might have shipped him with Abbie during the first few seasons. Now that he's a free agent, that will likely change.

[(Anonymous)]

Let's not pretend you have to be single to be shipped. How many shippers break up couples so their preference can happen?

Hell you don't even have to break them up. I was quite fond of the idea of Ichabod having lustful thoughts towards Abbie and then feeling guilty about it.

[iggy]

Yeah like 75% of ships in fandom, outside of the canon ones, involve breaking up a canon ship.

[(Anonymous)]

DA.

Yeaaah. I also haven't seen Star Wars, so staying out of that, but Ichabod's being married and devoted to his wife was why I didn't ship Ichabod/Abbie. Like, it had nothing to do with Abbie at all. Ichabod was married, so the only person I shipped him with was his wife.

(Which, again, can't speak for anyone else, but if a character is married, I never ship them outside of their marriage unless they canonically break up. I'm just not comfy with that sort of ship.)

[iggy]

That's fine! I'm generally uncomfortable with infidelity too.

It's the level of vehement rage that was directed toward Ichabbie that was the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

I never saw that, just people blogging Ichabbie. I shipped it (when I watched the show.) Katrina was a ghost, LOL, who cares about her.

[iggy]

It's less people not shipping it and more the vehement, vocal, hatred and anger that was so common. I get not wanting infidelity. I hate that too.

Though that being said I don't think most Ichabod/Abbie fans supported him cheating. I think they got that the narrative was leading to Katrina's eventual death (which it totally was from day one), and that they could hook up after that.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe because the shippers were villifying Katrina for getting in tbe way of their ship, even before she was a villain? I remember there were an awful lot of secrets about how terrible she was that seemed over the top.

[iggy]

I like 99.9% of female characters, but to be honest... I did loathe Katrina. I was ambivalent on her after season one but even before her heel face turn in S2 I was pretty ugh.

That being said, I heard some of them were harassing the actress and that is uncalled for. And the outright violent rhetoric to the character was shitty too.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. I abandoned the series long ago and I remember that the N!OTP crowd was mostly just done with relationships going like Mulder and Scully or Booth and Bones - I have been scorned by both xD, mum loved them. Now, I don't really have data about what if there's been another POC interest for either Ichabod or Abbie. Also most popular ships back when I was into this show were the ones with her supervisor.

Katrina excuse is wishy-washy since the show made quite a point for long that she is gone - so he'd be a widower.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, Ichabod's still a free agent but Abbie's dead so that ship seems to be dead in the water (unless they persuade Nicole Beharie to return)

[diet_poison]

Is the anti-Finn/Rey stuff really racist? Asking in earnest - I've heard that it was but I'm not really in fandom.

That makes me so sad. I came out of the movie shipping it pretty hard because I'm boring and ship probably-canon het leads all the time I thought they were really awesome together and liked that they weren't seeing each other romantically yet but it had the potential to develop later on and I hope it does.

have you seen any of this backlash?

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen some anti Finn/Rey stuff that's made me recoil, though you have to squint to see an overt racial element to it. I've seen at least one person declare that Rey deserves better than Finn because he's just a janitor, which is wrong on so many levels. Then there was some weird nonsense about how Finn was demonstrating "benevolent misogyny" because he kept grabbing Rey's hand (which was all part and parcel of a Reylo shipper's argument that Rey/Kylo is better because he "respects her as an equal" or something equally ridiculous).

And the whole "friendship chemistry" argument that gets trotted out every single time a black/white pairing seems likely to occur.

[diet_poison]

because he's a......what?

how does that even begin to make sense??

the "benevolent misogyny" thing sounds like reaching but it also sounds like par-for-the-course deep-into-tumblr bullshit tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

because he's a......what? how does that even begin to make sense??

nayrt, but they're probably calling him a janitor because when Han asked where he worked on the base, he said in sanitation (I presume this was before he became a janitor)

Just watched the film last night, so it's fresh in my mind!

[diet_poison]

Fair!

Though he doesn't actually play that role in the movie, so the argument still doesn't hold up at all (and that's not even getting into the pretty nasty implications of saying someone is "too good" for a janitor)

[(Anonymous)]

Most of what I've seen is people wishing that they could just be friends without having a romance shoved in, which is understandable. While I ship it myself, I can get why some people would like to see a guy and a girl just be awesome, devoted platonic friends without any sort of romantic or sexual tension.

[iggy]

The problem is that the constant cries of THEY SHOULD JUST BE FRIENDS are disproportionately applied to ships that are white character/non-white character.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, and also to slash and femslash ships. Honestly, I do prefer men and women to just be friends IN CANON, but in fic, people should ship whatever they like.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, I see them applied to tons of white character/white character ships, usually in cases like Booth/Bones or Mulder/Scully where the characters have a really strong, well-developed friendship in canon.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

i see this happen all the time with white pairs...

[(Anonymous)]

Including those oh-so-terrible whitecock juggernauts.

[(Anonymous)]

ikr? i ship some white m/m pairs and there are always people crying about how it's better off being platonic than romantic and that shipping them 'ruins' their friendship, this is not unique to interracial ships at all. it's just the standard anti-shipping bs that fandom is filled with.