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Comments

Re: "Mentally whitewashing" anime?

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's been a lot of discussion that because the majority of mainstream anime characters don't have stereotypical defining 'asian' features, people are coding them to white, and are we coding them to white because in a lot of western animation, those stereotypical features are present and we can't 'see' anime characters as asian because those features are absent.

If that makes sense?

Re: "Mentally whitewashing" anime?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

asiananon

Coding them to white as in... what? Being like "yeah that girl named Takashima Fujiko in Japan must be a random white girl with a Japanese name because she looks white to me"?

Or people mistaking a character with no distinct racial features as something most familiar to them until told her name is Fujiko and her story is set in Japan and being like "oh I guess she's Japanese then."

There is a big difference between these things.

Re: "Mentally whitewashing" anime?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's something like, yeah, they know with logic that she's Japanese because of her name and the setting and all that, but she still doesn't "look" Japanese to them so some part of their brain they can't control still "sees" a white person?

And I kind of get how that can work, but I didn't think it was as inevitable as some people insist theorize.

Re: "Mentally whitewashing" anime?

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder how many of those people have never seen a real live asian person. I had one or two fandom acquaintances from small middle American towns who had literally never seen an asian person in real life until they went to college. For people like that, I can see why that could happen... in the exact same way that a whole lot of people in Japan have never seen a real live black person and couldn't picture one that isn't a specific Hollywood star.

I wonder how much of it is racism and how much of it is pure unfamiliarity and inability to picture. Racism is part of it I'm sure, but I can buy that some people can't picture things. Even in the USA populations are not as diverse in all areas as people make it sound.

Re: "Mentally whitewashing" anime?

[(Anonymous)]

SA

On the other hand if they're being told Takashima Fujiko is Japanese and refusing to accept it that's pure racism. Being unable to personally picture her as a Japanese woman in real life but accepting that she's meant to be Japanese in canon and seen as Japanese by everyone else and should be drawn or portrayed that way is not the same as insisting she's white, drawing her white, writing her as white in fic, or whatever.

Re: "Mentally whitewashing" anime?

[(Anonymous)]

I think for me it's more the latter. Yes I know they're intended to be Asian (and as someone who lives in a VERY heavily Asian populated area it's not an unfamiliarity thing), but some characters are so... generically designed, or so off the wall designed, that honestly if it weren't for their very Asian names I might not have coded them as Asian if someone had just shown me a pic and said, "What race is this character?"

My answer might have been, "Uh... white?" or "Probably Japanese?" since I'm familiar with anime and the fact that a great deal of it IS set in Japan, or even, "No idea?" because I've seen some characters that I might have coded as Eastern European, or Hispanic as well, and yet they're intended to be Japanese.

Re: "Mentally whitewashing" anime?

[(Anonymous)]

That'd fall under the latter of the two things I described at first then, at least imo. "I guess she's Japanese then." If I saw a brown-shaded character I'd assume she's meant to be black since that's what I'm more familiar with, but if I was informed she was Indian I'd shrug and say "I guess she's Indian then."

It's the people who would insist the Japanese character is white and draw/fic for her as white, saying she's white to them so everyone else can fuck off, that I'd call racist. And yeah, I've seen people do what I just described.