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Do you think millennial generation has been infantilized? Or not been given the opportunity to grow up?

I especially want old foogeys to weigh in.

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Fwiw, I think it's both, and they're related. It was likely much easier to "grow up" back when the economy was booming and finding a job to support a separate adult life was easy.

In a way, as in overprotected a lot. But then, the world is different. In general, I mostly thing millennials have been screwed over. They're the generation that got born into a prosperous age, and still remember it from their childhood, but grew up into an economical crisis.

Exactly. And even the older adults keep telling us rules that applied in the 90's, but don't anymore. Like, "you can't expect to have a high position the moment you get a job." That's not the issue. The issue is that that's who they are hiring. Upper hands with ten years of experience. Not rookies.

At the same time, I think we were definitely a bit overprotected, and that hasn't helped. There's people I work with who really don't understand that they're expected to actually do their jobs. I think 1950's and 60's parents were really strict, so ours went easy on us, except maybe a little too easy. So there s a point to be made there.

I think mostly it's just a really unfortunate combination. I mean, you have a generation that's been told the sky is the limit, who have been brought up in relative comfort, who are having a (genuinely) really shitty time out there in the real world.

I know for my parents, no they didn't have it easy - but basically a college degree did mean you could work in the sector you chose (my mom's a working musician ffs, well music teacher by now, but still). I would not say I wasn't brought up with a work ethic though (but my parents were a bit older than those of my peers, and immigrants, so that might explain it).

I'm a millennial and I feel like I'm still a teenager (I'm 30) so maybe?

I see college students who won't even attempt to get work done on time because they got a pass in high school; they could turn in something terrible (after their teacher pestered them) and pass their course. Many schools in our area even had a 'no fail' policy in high school.
That makes it so difficult when they come to college with the assumption that they can do the same in college classes. And when they fail, they're shocked.
I do think there is a certain amount of protection that the millennial's had that I didn't (I'm the top tier of Gen X). I hate that many of these students have to learn the hard way that the world doesn't always accommodate them.

I'm gonna copy and paste my answer from the otherkin thread:

If I go outside and compare the lives of people my age to what their parents were doing 30 years ago I doubt I'd see much difference. Lifestyles and economies change, people are basically the same.

I think that helicopter parenting and No Child Left Behind has left American millennials with disadvantages that previous generations chalk up to childishness. But when you teach to the test and micromanage every minute of your kids' time, it's not fair to complain when those same kids enter college and the workforce and can't do anything without step-by-step instructions or need constant feedback and approval. And yeah, the economy sucks, but it has sucked before and this recent bout of suck started when the last wave of X'ers were in college, so chalking up all millennial woes to the economy is oversimplification at best.

Old fogey here, and honestly, it's hard to say. Every generation thinks the generations that come after have it easier, and in some ways, they're correct. It's just that you have to remember that sometimes "easier" just means a whole new set of problems. For example, I grew up in a community that was pretty racially homogeneous and as a POC I found that quite difficult at times. There was no internet to reach out to other people in my situation, and while I had plenty of white friends, they didn't always understand the problems I faced as a non-white kid. I didn't have a bad childhood, but it sometimes felt very isolating and lonely and there wasn't much I could do about that.

But on the other hand, I never had to worry about all the stupid stuff I said and did as a kid being immortalized forever and distributed around the world in the blink of an eye, either. When I was a kid, you could still reasonably expect to go to school and get a job right out of college, save up money and buy a car/house in a few years and be established and on your own before you were 30. That was a given, back then. It's not anymore.

I think there is an age group 10 to 15 years younger than me that grew up in a parenting culture that was dominated by a mindset of "punishing a child is bad! It will stunt them!" and thus the children who are in early adulthood now don't have a solid grounding in discipline.

The problem is that parenting culture is still around, and may be part of the problem with self-entitled shits that are now online, in Fandom areas.

I think what they're doing is basically infantilising themselves and demanding others to follow suit and treat them like the babies they pretend to be.

Another Old Fogey here.

Yes. And I think the reason for this is because millennials have grown up in an era dominated by constant internet access. When I was growing up, the internet wasn't available until I was well into my late teens. So I was forced to mature and grow out of infantile behavior because the folks around me would not tolerate that shit past a certain age.

People who spent the bulk of their young adult life (ages 13-18) in the era of constant, readily available internet access didn't have that pressure. Even if the people around them in meatspace won't tolerate their behavior, they have a readily available connection to an army of enablers from around the world. If mum and dad tell them they need to stop being an entitled snotbag, they can just run to their online friends for validation of how uniquely oppressed they are (because Insert SJW Special Snowflake Buzzword Salad Here).

Millennials may have inherited a bleak economic future, but they've also inherited the kind of spoiled, obnoxious worldview that their generation is too special and deserving to be forced to do the highly unpleasant shit that comes with being a functional adult.

The answer is right there in your question.

"not been given the opportunity to grow up"

This is a passive attitude. The active attitude would be, "I am going to TAKE opportunities. I am going to MAKE opportunities." Because the world is not going to GIVE you anything, and yes, expecting it to is infantile. Children rely on others. Adults take ownership of their feelings, their actions, and their lives.

Ah, yes, ye olde bootstraps argument.

You're kind of proving AYRT's point if you actually think that's the bootstrap argument. Or if you think the bootstrap argument can actually be applied to the vast majority of American Millenials, really.

Get real. I'm not talking about financial security. I'm talking about emotional maturity, and you know it. Please tell me what is stopping millennials from growing up. Please explain to me how they haven't been "given an opportunity" to grow up. University is the classic opportunity to grow up, and they squander it, collapsing in a state of emotional distress when someone disagrees with them. If you need a safe space to protect you from ideas, you are a definitive infant.

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