[ SECRET POST #3384 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3384 ⌋

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[Thirteen]


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[Touken Ranbu]


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[New Tricks]


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[Supernatural]


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[Death Battle (Super Mario Bros, Legend of Zelda)]


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[Daredevil]


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[Saint Seiya]


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Comments

[diet_poison]

And, importantly, it's ALSO terrible for the environment.

The point about shipping food can also be made about some meats, and that also applies to factory farmimg. Likewise, trying to eat locally can be done for plant-based foods as well as meat.

[(Anonymous)]

What locally grown plants do you suggest they eat in North Dakota in February? Particularly if they'd like to avoid scurvy and rickets. Fish and game are locally available. Eggs and dairy are locally available.

Turns out, factory farming of produce is also terrible for the environment. Vegans can claim the high ground because the only animals that died for their food were the ones whose homes were plowed up for fields, the ones that were poisoned, trapped or shot for trying to eat things in those fields, and the ones that were run over by the trucks moving the food from the farm to the grocery store.

Unless they keep cats. Then they're also supporting animal slaughter for Princess Fluffy's sake.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't be absurd. They're probably slowly poisoning Princess Fluffy by feeding her a vegan diet instead.

[diet_poison]

Are you talking about vegans, or me???

[(Anonymous)]

You're hilarious.

As someone from North Dakota, guess what, people don't generally shoot their own food. They buy it in grocery stores. You think the average meat eater only buys "local" meat, any more than they buy "local" plants? Ha. And guess what, any argument you have against animals suffering in the farming process still applies to you if you eat any farmed food, plus, the horrendous institution of factory farming.

and why in the world are you even talking about cats.

[blitzwing]

and why in the world are you even talking about cats.

Cats kill billions of animals every year. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-21236690

[(Anonymous)]

I am aware. It has nothing to do with this conversation.

(and, by the way, those studies have been called into question, mainly because housecats more than not are killing invasive, non-native species more than anything, so aren't actually seriously impacting local ecosystems, if you can even call an in-town setting such... but that's a completely different topic)

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like you're arguing over what the morally superior way of eating is, for some reason. Cats eat meat, or they get sick and live shortened, saddened lives. Vegans who own cats either have to support the meat industry or abuse their pets. Of course, good vegans don't keep cats because it would be hypocritical, so I'm not sure why this is even an argument?

[(Anonymous)]

No, what we were arguing was sustainability, and healthiness, of vegan vs. meat-eating diets. I don't see anyone in this thread saying it is immoral to eat meat, though certainly people can raise concern about unnecessary suffering of animals - as they should.

I've never met a vegan who feeds their cat vegan food. I've never even seen vegan cat food, and as a vegetarian, I've been to several "vegan-friendly" supermarkets. I agree, it would be idiotic and harmful to the cat to feed them vegan food. That doesn't mean we should mindlessly support industries that basically torture massive numbers of animals. I am not a vegan, and I go out of my way to buy cat food that uses free range livestock, I'd rather put my money out there to support industries with even the smallest regard for animal welfare.

Whether or not meat is necessary for human consumption, or ethical, or sustainable - these arguments are independent for anyone with three brain cells from talks of animals that are carnivores.

[diet_poison]

this is the best comment in the thread I've seen so far. +1

[diet_poison]

What in the world are you even asking me? I am not standing here telling people they have to eat local food only or they're terrible people, I'm literally just making the point that meat as a whole is worse for the environment than plants. Which is true. And I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian btw. I think local food is a good thing to support but it isn't always feasible. Basically you sound like you're taking out some ire on me that has been with you for a while. You really sound like you have a personal hateboner for vegans that I'm not interested in getting into one way or another.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, don't forget that factory farmed animals aren't idyllically grazing for all their calories. (There's a reason grass-fed beef is so pricey, and it's that it requires more effort and a lot more pasture per animal.) Instead, they're eating grains and vegetables shipped to them. So you don't just have to consider the environmental impact of shipping the meat, but the environmental impact of shipping the food that the meat ate.

[(Anonymous)]

this.

The vast majority of livestock are grain-fed, and those grains involve... farming, animals dying in tractor equipment etc... plus, the gas of the farming equipment, plus the shipping.

The meat industry, as it currently exists, takes a gross amount of resources and is not sustainable.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with all the comments about eating locally produced food, and yes meat production requires feeding the animals of course.

However, most animals are not fed grains. At least not here. They (whether conventional or organic) go outside and eat grass etc. from late spring to early fall. They mostly eat silage, hay, beets, and pressed rapeseed during winter. Much of which is produced locally.

[(Anonymous)]

Globally, most livestock isn't fed grains these days.Among other things, it's just to expensive to have that stuff trucked in.