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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-04-18 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3393 ]


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Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, this is super specific but it's migrated from the internet to posters at my uni and it drives me insane.

'Racism is white people having trouble pronouncing my name but pronouncing Tchaikovsky no problem,'

Tchaikovsky was a composer in the 1800's and is still one of the most popular classical composers today. I've been hearing his name regularly since primary school. You have not had his impact yet in your life.

Of course, people not making an effort is shitty, but that's not a problem exclusively to POC (See - Felix Kjellberg at the Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Awards (I think that was it)). People have trouble pronouncing names that don't originate from their native language.

Obviously, racism to do with names happens a lot and is shitty. But just having trouble with pronunciation in itself is not racism.

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen that before in the form of some parent telling their preschooler that if their classmates can pronounce Tchaikovsky (or some other famous "white" name, I forget, doesn't matter) they can pronounce her name.

If I were there I would have asked her what the hell makes her think most English-speaking preschoolers can pronounce Tchaikovsky.

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Most people cannot pronounce Tchaikovsky correctly anyway. They always pronounce his name as if it starts with the "Ch" like in "church". They ignore the soft Tch sound.

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Of course people should make an effort to pronounce foreign names correctly, but sometimes people simply cannot say certain sounds or combinations that they didn't grow up saying.

My grandmother was from Ukraine. She spoke Ukrainian, Russian, German, and English. But she could never say either "TH" sound in English, because those sounds do not exist in the languages she grew up with.

This can happen with different dialects in the same language. I've noticed that people from the Northern parts of the East Coast can say the A in "apple" or "cat" before an R. I am from Maryland and can't, no matter how hard I try, and a lot of people from farther south don't seem able to either.

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
I'm also from Maryland and huh, you're right. I know I can say it because I just tried, but I can also tell from trying that I never use that combination naturally. If someone used it when they told me their name I'd probably pronounce it like "air."

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
What do you mean by "before an r"? Can you give an example?

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Someone from New England posted that they pronounce the first syllable of 'arrogant' with the A in apple, but I say it like "air."

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
I have seen this whole "white privilege is not having people mispronounce your name" so often and it's kinda hilarious in its naivete. Those people have apparently never met a Polish, Russian, Welsh, Irish (etc.) person in their sheltered little lives.

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I grew up in a largely Polish and Italian neighborhood. This so much.

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm white, and I have a four letter name.

People mispronounce my name all the damn time. Daily. WTF kind of rock do these people live under?

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it 'Cady'?

Please say it's Cady.

Re: Arguments you hate

(Anonymous) 2016-04-20 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, above anon, but that isn't it.