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Yes, but the role they fill in Jewish mythology differs somewhat from how I would be using them. How I would be using them would fit much more with Discworld than jewish mythology.

It doesn't matter how you use them any more than which vampire mythology you draw from. Golems are from Jewish mythology and your assumption that they were from Discworld was wrong. It's okay to not want to use them out of fear of plagiarizing Discworld, but that doesn't mean they're not from Jewish mythology. I hope that's clear.

Where did I give any indication that I assume they were from (as in originally from) discworld?

Are you infact just assuming that I just didn't know enough? Are you just assuming that because I said I didn't want to use them the same way discworld used them that what I actually meant was that they belong to discworld and never existed before then?

I mean, it seems like you're just taking the dumbest interpretation of what I said so that you could come along and correct me for something I didn't actually say.

The thought did occur, but I don't want to drift too closely to discworld.

It seems pretty cut and dry to me. I mean, if that's not how you intended it then no problem -- and I'd rather not continue this discussion considering I thought it concluded nicely downthread.

Edited 2016-04-20 23:59 (UTC)

Why would you go to "The thought did occur, but I don't want to drift too closely to discworld." which created them Which is what you seem to be suggesting I was saying when "The thought did occur, but I don't want to drift too closely to discworld." which already used them in that exact same way which is what I was saying.

It seems to me you were assuming stupidity or ignorance where no such assumption was warranted.

Like If I had been talking about needing a romantic figure for a YA fantasy love story, and someone suggested Vampire, and I had said "The thought did occur, but I don't want to drift too closely to Twilight." would you feel the need to talk down to me about how twilight didn't invent vampires?

you sound like a pissbaby

Silence, the adults are talking.

No, because A) vampires are friggin' everywhere in pop culture and 2) there's a zillion vampire mythologies around the world. But I've known people who thought Frankenstein was invented by Hollywood. It's not hard to meet people who seem to think that lesser known and much older mythological creatures were invented by the entertainment industry. You see where I'm going with this?

I'm willing to admit the possibility that I colossally misread you, and I apologize for that. But you're making bad-faith assumptions about how I came to the conclusion I did and I'm not having it.

I knew what they were talking about which might not have been clear to non-Discworld readers. In the books Going Postal and Making Money, golems are used in the exact same way anon described. I understood they were talking more about "how they were used" since I'm familiar with the books, but it maybe wasn't clear to people who haven't. It was obvious between Discworld fans that they meant "how they were used." Just a lack of context.

Edited 2016-04-21 00:23 (UTC)

Fair enough, I've never actually read Discworld. I probably should some day, but my reading habits have gone to shit so there's no way I'd ever actually finish.

Bad faith assumption? Really, you're complaining about my assumptions being in bad faith after you're showing here?

"Well, this person mustn't know where golems come from, let me be deliberately insulting to them with no valid reason for assuming their ignorance?" no, 1.) you have zero right to complain about how I interperate your assumptions about me, when you yourself are assuming the worst interpretation of what I said without any justification. That phrasing got messy so let me clarify: we're both making uncharitable assumptions about the other and neither of us hold the high ground there and you can 'have that' or not, but it's the way it is. And 2.) You have zero right to complain about "bad faith" when your reaction to said assumptions about me was to be deliberately insulting. You didn't earn good faith.

You apologised for being deliberately insulting, but then continued along with the same insulting assumption and tried to justify it, which sort of invalidated the apology. "I'm sorry for being mean, but I was right about you" is not an apology.

okay

*1.) you have zero right to complain about my assumptions about you, when you yourself are assuming the worst interpretation of what I said without any justification.

Tied myself up with that one.

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