[ SECRET POST #3397 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3397 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Mystery Skulls, "Magic", animatic by the artist yuramec/yuracon seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TqfBEX6QtE]



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04. [SPOILERS for Sleepy Hollow]




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05. [SPOILERS for Gravity Falls]




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06. [WARNING for discussion of abusive relationships]




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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape]




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08. [WARNING for discussion of rape/pedophilia]




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09. [WARNING for violence/gore]


[Spartacus: Blood and Sand]


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10. [WARNING for violence/gore/death]




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11. [WARNING for sexual abuse]




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12. [WARNING for racism]




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13. [WARNING for discussion of child porn]




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14. [WARNING for discussion of rape]



















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Comments

[kamino_neko]

The hospital scene alone could have had half a dozen collateral kills.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. That scene was a bit horrific.

And I get it, it's easy to suspend disbelief while watching the show and say hey, he didn't actually have any collateral kills, he only killed the bad guys. That's the canon narrative, and that's fine, not ever story has to be about the vigilante killing a the nice old lady who was in for hip replacement because bullets have a nasty habit of punching through walls.

But when discussing whether or not he did the right thing in a moral or ethical sense, rather than the cathartic thing in terms of the story, it's a lot harder to ignore the possibility for collateral damage.

[kamino_neko]

And I get it, it's easy to suspend disbelief while watching the show and say hey, he didn't actually have any collateral kills, he only killed the bad guys.

This is where I get frustrated with a lot of Frank's non-fictional supporters.

They're totally able to do this for Frank firing a shotgun in a crowded hospital hallway. (Which, like you say, is perfectly fine, because it's an element of the genre.)

But the first line of defense in calling Matt a hypocrite is to insist that the beatings he lays down would be fatal at least as often as not.

And...yeah, in the real world they would be (that stairwell fight was goddamn brutal). But in the real world, Frank would have been directly and indirectly responsible for a bunch of innocent people being killed (let's not forget he set off the gangs going at each other, too). Either apply real world logic to both, or apply action entertainment logic to both. And by real-world logic, this wouldn't have been Daredevil season 2, because Matt would have been dead before season 1 got more than a couple episodes in.

[(Anonymous)]

It seems like the hypocrisy argument comes up every time you have a canon where there's a disagreement over whether or not killing is justified.

I occasionally wonder if the fans of more lethal characters on some level interpret the in-universe condemnation of those lethal tactics as a condemnation of their out-of-universe enjoyment of watching the villains get killed. Some of the claims of hypocrisy on the part of characters who avoid killing just seem so defensive.