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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-04-23 03:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #3398 ]


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(Anonymous) 2016-04-23 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
No opinion on her "character" - but god is she beautiful.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-23 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a secret? People *hate* Galadriel? Where are these people and how dare they hate our queen?

(Anonymous) 2016-04-23 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I think you'd have to get pretty deep into the Tolkien-verse to know more about her than the "What, isn't that just what Cate Blanchett does at home in her garden" character that the movies show, so, it's understandable that the more mainstream fans aren't too keen on her.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-23 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Count me as one of the people who hate Galadriel. I hated her when I first read the book. The things I didn't like were how she made herself at home in the Fellowship's heads without permission, and the fact that anyone who spoke against her was "obviously" wrong. I think Eomer had a reason to be wary but in the narrative, he's clearly in the wrong. It happens a few times and I hate that kind of heavy-handedness, especially as I didn't buy her being this perfect angelic can-do-no-wrong type of character when we actually meet her. She felt skeevy to me, but in a way that she wasn't intended to be by the author.

What cemented my hate for her was reading Unfinished Tales and how Tolkien was bending over backwards to give her special treatment so she's not a kinslayer. If Galadriel's arc is that she's a kinslayer who's still too prideful to bow to the Valar after the War of Wrath but finally learns humbleness by the end of the Third Age, then that's an interesting and awesome arc. It's not one I care for because I don't like the kinslayers but I do think it's objectively interesting and complex. Stripping that away is utter bullshit. It doesn't make sense with what's in the LOTR book, and it takes away from her final decision. The way she's singled out and Tolkien tries to twist the world to fit her in to be perfect irritates me to no-end. Not even Luthien (my fave!) gets that kind of bullshit treatment.

I hated her in the movies because they took the aggravating perfectness from the books and upped it to a billion. Galadriel has nuance in the book. In the movies, she can do no wrong. Plus, I don't think CB is that pretty. I liked that she had a low voice, but otherwise, she was nothing like I envisioned Galadriel.

So, I'm not telling anyone they can't like her or whatever. Just explaining where my hate comes from.
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[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2016-04-24 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
I think you hit the nail right on the head as to why people can dislike her. I particularly agree about the attempt to absolve her of any guilt in the Kinslaying, as I feel that at least gives her some sort of depth, even if I feel it's not quite enough.

She's made out to be too perfect and that can be annoying.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-24 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
What cemented my hate for her was reading Unfinished Tales and how Tolkien was bending over backwards to give her special treatment so she's not a kinslayer.

That would make me hate her two, anon. I haven't read the books and now I'm kinda glad.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-23 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure she actually had a personality in the LoTR books and movies. I didn't mind her, but she seemed like your dime-a-dozen mystical seer woman.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-23 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It was never that I hated her, but I had mixed feelings towards her for years because something about Tolkien and the Valar and the Undying Lands bugged me in ways I couldn't verbalise and she was a part of that. There is something I instinctively do not like about how elves, particularly High Elves, interact with the Undying Lands and the concepts of death and virtue, and Galadriel's story is massively caught up in that. It isn't really her in and of herself that's the problem for me, it's the fact that during the LotR timeframe she's the main character that particular bugbear is clustered around.

Though I always loved her flash of powerlust and pride in the face of the Ring and her gutpunched reaction afterwards. I would have loved to see an AU with the rise of the Dawn Queen. That would have been spectacular.
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[personal profile] cakemage 2016-04-23 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Same here, OP, same here.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-24 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
i've never seen any hate on a mass scale - fandom is really into the MY KWEEEN shit, which i personally find boring bc i prefer flawed galadriel

(Anonymous) 2016-04-24 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
MY PROBLEMATIC KWEEEN

SLAY A BIT
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[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2016-04-24 07:35 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's some variation on Tall Poppy Syndrome. She's beautiful, perfect, ideal... and people don't like that.

I'm not innocent either, because I tend to like characters with faults, especially Elves with faults that show that age doesn't make someone perfect.