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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-04-30 03:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #3405 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3405 ⌋

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sparrow_lately: (Default)

Re: Context Free Statement

[personal profile] sparrow_lately 2016-04-30 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The Founding Fathers, it must be said, had no regard for germ theory, or DNA, or the importance of signaling one’s intent when driving on a highway, or the rights of women, or in most cases the notion that owning another human being might raise a moral as well as an economic quandary, or a great number of other matters with which modern day Americans concern themselves a great deal. Mount Vernon had no indoor plumbing, and while Monticello may lay claim to what were very likely the first three “indoor privies” in the United States, they were somewhat disheartening even by the standards of the day: just three rooms containing pots to be emptied by slaves. All of this is to say that as a nation, America has moved on from the reality of her founders’ lives, in the realm of the minutiae and the ideological both.
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Point of contention or: HISTORY TIME

[personal profile] chardmonster 2016-05-01 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
or in most cases the notion that owning another human being might raise a moral as well as an economic quandary

I'd have a hard time saying most for this period. More slaveowners than you'd think in the 18th century appear to have had a great many moral qualms about slavery. Many definitely accepted it as a gray area, and expected it to die out eventually. They excused themselves with the idea of slavery as a paternal arrangement (black people can't take care of themselves!) and the fact that many of them didn't think abolition was economically feasable right then.

Two things change this.
1. Invention of the cotton gin: slavery explodes (good reference here: http://www.vox.com/2016/4/30/11528454/explosion-slavery-1790-gif) making the South more economically reliant on it than before.
2. Abolitionism takes off in the early 19th century. Slaveowners react partly by deciding slavery is an unambiguous moral good. This goes so far that in the 1850s you have young southern intellectuals arguing that slavery is better than capitalism, and novels setting themselves up as pro-slavery versions of Uncle Tom's Cabin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Phillis's_Cabin)
Edited 2016-05-01 06:26 (UTC)
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Re: Point of contention or: HISTORY TIME

[personal profile] sparrow_lately 2016-05-01 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Take your point 100%; was referring (in context) more or less exclusively to the framers of the constitution. Was also making a point. YOU ARE HOWEVER CORRECT