[ SECRET POST #3407 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3407 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Star Wars Rebels]


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[J.K. Rowling/Harry Potter]


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[omgcp]


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[Hannibal, Criminal Minds, John Douglas]


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[The Gamer]


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[Trailer Park Boys]


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[Chris Evans]


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[Old Hollywood, Old Hollywood RPF]


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[Andrew Lincoln]














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Comments

Re: ~BOOK CLUB MAY DISCUSSION: Who Censored Roger Rabbit~

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Share your thoughts on the overall story and the characters!

I liked it better than I thought I would. It was a pretty easy read (not super short, but not really long or really dense), and a fun adventure.

I think Roger himself and Carol were the most enjoyable and interesting main characters, with a shout-out going to Baby Herman, who I found quite funny. Many of the other characters were obnoxious people but not badly-written characters.

The narration was engaging much of the time but often really overdid it with the similes IMO. The voice and setting were really well-delivered, though.

Who did you think killed Rocco after the murders? Who did you think killed Roger Rabbit? Did those thoughts change over the course of the story?

I myself never suspected Roger of actually killing Rocco, and I think the reason I was so convinced of this is Eddie didn't suspect him, either. I honestly thought Jessica killed both of them for a while, though I wasn't sure and had other suspects. Ironically Roger was the only major character I really ruled out (besides Eddie, of course).

Did you suspect anything like what turned out to be the truth about the teakettle? Did you suspect something off-the-wall that was really different from what happened?

I think as soon as "magic lanterns" were mentioned I realized the teakettle was an artifact of some kind. Before I thought it was either actually solid gold or valuable in some other way monetarily. The way the story was written didn't make me think magic was a real/accepted part of the setting, so I didn't think of that at first. Of course all these other characters were like "magic's not real, dumbass!" but put so close to the end of the story, with the teakettle taking more and more of the spotlight, that just convinced me that it was magic. Didn't see the genie thing coming though.

What did you think of the categorization of Toons as a species, and the social stratification that was present in this world's version of Earth? Do you think there was any intended social commentary, or was it just worldbuilding?

I thought it was one of the most interesting aspects of the whole story, though I couldn't say if I think there's intentional social commentary. I loved the way they were written, with their animalistic features and habits worked into the way their characters presented. I wonder if humanoid toons basically looked like humans or if people could usually tell the difference. Jessica Rabbit was obviously lusted after by humans, but could they still tell she wasn't one?

The thought/word bubbles thing was pretty entertaining (especially when Roger's word bubble emitted its own mini-bubble after falling to the floor, and the gun emitting a "bang" word bubble in his kitchen). It was hard to imagine them not actually speaking aloud though. I sort of thought of them as speaking aloud while simultaneously projecting their words into bubbles, but I think the book contradicted that and implied that those who did not suppress their bubbles usually didn't speak with an audible voice.

Do you like the way the female characters were written? Do you feel the story was reasonable in its approach to them, or was it sexist?

I thought Jessica was very stereotyped, but I think the author redeemed himself a bit with Carol. If Jessica had been the only female character I think the story would have felt really sexist to me. As it is though it didn't really ping me that way, at least not overtly, more like reflecting the time period the setting was supposed to imitate. It's worth noting it did not pass the Beckdel test (that I recall) and there were only two major female characters.

Carol was really interesting to me. It's a shame she turned out the way she did but I'm not really surprised. She's talented, hard-working, kind, strong-willed without being obnoxoius - and of course, quite fallible. Her treatment by Rocco and Dominick was really bad, but her "retaliation" was not, in my opinion, ethically justified. I had a suspicion for a while that she would turn out to have done something awful, and for a while I thought it was she who killed Rocco, which would have made me sad (I sort of shipped her with Eddie for a while because I'm a sucker for tropey setups like that). When her scam came out I was disappointed in her, but not in her character. It was well set-up. The way she stuck up for Roger was really sweet; it's too bad she turned out to be kinda rotten!

What did you think of the twists at the end?

I was impressed by them in general, though I found the genie to be rather contrived. He was super stereotypical, not well-developed, and rushed. Roger turning out to be Rocco's actual killer was the best twist and about the last thing I would have guessed.

Did you feel sorry for Roger Rabbit at the beginning? After he died? During the detective work? After the truth came out and the doppel disintegrated?

Yes, to varying degrees. I mostly felt sorry for him because he had this enormous blind spot when it came to Jessica, made worse by the fact that (unbeknownst to him) she was magicked into temporarily falling in love with him, so her words and actions during that time would have been completely sincere. It was sweet that he made Eddie soup and the way their friendship developed. The way he was treated by Eddie's friends made me feel pretty sorry for him (and I hope it was a wake-up call for Eddie).

I have to wonder why he asked Eddie to look into his case knowing he'd find out the real answer about Rocco. I suppose as a doppel he had nothing to lose.

Did you ship anything?

I sort of shipped Eddie and Carol for a while but I'm not really disappointed that didn't pan out. I very much did NOT ship Eddie and Jessica and cringed a little when she kissed him. Blech.

What did you think of the fiasco with Sid Sleaze and Jessica Rabbit? Do you think he actually drugged her, or did she shoot the strip on her own?

I honestly don't know, personally. I don't remember if that was definitively indicated in the story. I'm inclined to think because of the way it was written that Jessica did it voluntarily, because she's very deceptive by nature and also strikes me as rather vain. But it could go either way. It was interesting to me that Sleaze was presented as being a sympathetic character rather than a total slimeball, but of course he could very well be one anyway. And I'm not inclined to trust men who make money by selling porn of women coughHughHefnercough.

Did you approve of Eddie's decision to kill the genie at the end?

Personally I did not, though it hinges on whether the genie could be trusted not to try to continue killing people/actually take over countries/etc. Eddie's actions at the end were really shitty as a whole, but sort of understandable. If the genie was capable of shooting more people on a lark, getting rid of him was the right thing to do, but I'm not keen on the kind of deception Eddie used on him first.