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fandomsecrets2016-05-02 06:34 pm
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[ SECRET POST #3407 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3407 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Star Wars Rebels]
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[J.K. Rowling/Harry Potter]
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[omgcp]
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[Hannibal, Criminal Minds, John Douglas]
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[The Gamer]
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[Trailer Park Boys]
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[Chris Evans]
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[Old Hollywood, Old Hollywood RPF]
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[Andrew Lincoln]
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Re: ~BOOK CLUB MAY DISCUSSION: Who Censored Roger Rabbit~
(Anonymous) 2016-05-03 12:18 am (UTC)(link)I liked them. Story was tightly paced, good world building, plot wasn't too convoluted. Characters were a little cliche noir, but that's what they were going for, I think.
+Who did you think killed Rocco after the murders? Who did you think killed Roger Rabbit? Did those thoughts change over the course of the story?
I thought Masters was so obviously the love interest, so I was thinking she did, or her and Roger did it. When you found out what she was really up to I reached the conclusion that Roger and his dopple were working together alone.
+Did you suspect anything like what turned out to be the truth about the teakettle? Did you suspect something off-the-wall that was really different from what happened?
With all the rape wank that started up on here around this suggestion, I thought the Kettle brewed a mind control drink or some such.
+What did you think of the categorization of Toons as a species, and the social stratification that was present in this world's version of Earth? Do you think there was any intended social commentary, or was it just worldbuilding?
Kinda both. People are shitty to other people in a noir story, so it makes nothing but sense that toons would be treat like crap. I don't think it was a specific allegory, more just a general statement on how crappy people are. A statement that both fits with the Noir elements the writer was trying to invoke, but also served the added bonus of Framing Eddie as a comparatively innocent soul.
+Do you like the way the female characters were written? Do you feel the story was reasonable in its approach to them, or was it sexist?
I like Carol. I still lusted after Jessica, but she wasn't a great example of how women should be portrayed. But then she was the other noir staple: The femme fatale. She was about as reasonably approached as any femme fatale is. I still prefer Movie version, tho. I did not like Eddie punching her out.
+What did you think of the twists at the end?
Honestly pretty good. I was half expecting the added twist of Roger still being alive at the end, but it wasn't that kind of story. I was pretty surprised that the planned on framing eddie for it. did not see the Genie thing coming.
+Did you feel sorry for Roger Rabbit at the beginning? After he died? During the detective work? After the truth came out and the doppel disintegrated?
I found him too annoying and cartoonish to feel sorry for at the beginning. I felt really bad for the doppel, though.
+Did you ship anything?
Jessica and Roger, Mostly as a throwback to the movie, tho. Eddie and Carol could have been good, but it wasn't to be.
+What did you think of the fiasco with Sid Sleaze and Jessica Rabbit? Do you think he actually drugged her, or did she shoot the strip on her own?
I think we're supposed to believe Jessica is a lying whore who will say and do whatever is convenient at the time. I think the writer of the book has such a low opinion of her, and women in general, That he probably wrote it as her consenting to the shoot, then lying about it later.
+Did you approve of Eddie's decision to kill the genie at the end?
Yes, There was no other way to stop it.
Re: ~BOOK CLUB MAY DISCUSSION: Who Censored Roger Rabbit~
Yeah, I agree, and I rather liked it. I guess I'm a fan of that particular setting.
I thought Masters was so obviously the love interest
It seemed that way to me too at the beginning, so even though I enjoyed the dynamic and wouldn't have minded it being canon, I kinda liked that it wasn't if only because it was a bit of a subversion. A story doesn't NEED a romance with the MC, ya know?
When you found out what she was really up to I reached the conclusion that Roger and his dopple were working together alone.
You figured out a helluva lot more than I did, anon. |D
With all the rape wank that started up on here around this suggestion, I thought the Kettle brewed a mind control drink or some such.
Speaking of, where did that even come from? I'm still not sure. At first I thought maybe Sleaze potentially drugging Jessica? But that wasn't portrayed as positive so how would it be rape apology? Now, though, I wonder if it's because Roger "tricked" Jessica into marrying him. I can't call it rape though because he had no idea what was going on and genuinely believed she loved him, to the very end. There was no question of consent on his part. And of course sex was never talked about, but it is implied with the whole "marriage" thing, true.
(Anyone want to weigh in on this?)
but also served the added bonus of Framing Eddie as a comparatively innocent soul.
Comparatively, maybe, but he was no saint. He was complex and morally gray, which I liked about him and the way it colored the narration. It was clear that Eddie's views =/= the author's views; he did a good job. And I think he was also prejudiced against Toons, just maybe not as overtly so as some other humans. Interestingly, I wonder if the events of the story made him mature in that regard, though finding out at the end that his new best Toon friend was a killer who completely pulled the wool over his eyes, and that his Toon lust interest was a two-faced selfish ass (which was pretty obvious throughout but still), might have set it back a bit. IDK.
I was half expecting the added twist of Roger still being alive at the end, but it wasn't that kind of story.
Roger's doppel's "death" was one of the best-written moments in the story tbh.
Jessica and Roger, Mostly as a throwback to the movie, tho.
Man, you're making me want to watch the movie!
I think we're supposed to believe Jessica is a lying whore who will say and do whatever is convenient at the time. I think the writer of the book has such a low opinion of her, and women in general, That he probably wrote it as her consenting to the shoot, then lying about it later.
I wondered about this - the idea of purity being equated with goodness was so strong in the book (I mean, it's a thing IRL too but so strong as to be taken for granted in this setting) and I have to wonder if that was part of the setting, or projection by the author. Do you think Wolf is sexist? I don't know anything about the man himself.