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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-05-03 06:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #3408 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3408 ⌋

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Re: Captain Right-merica or I-wrong man? (some spoilers, I guess)

(Anonymous) 2016-05-04 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
I agree Tony was a lot better in this movie than in the comics.

HOWEVER. His entire schtick with supporting the Sokovia Accords was "Super heroes shouldn't just be allowed to do what they like" but then at the end decides to murder a man he knows to be innocent because He "doesn't care. He killed my mom". Tony is still such a hypocrite.

Also, I don't know how I feel about the Sokovia Accords. On the one hand, maybe some steps might be necessary, on the other hand, the guy telling the team about the accords, Gen. Ross, explicitly refers to their friends Banner and Thor as weapons. How does that not clue everyone into exactly what they intention behind the accords is? How does Tony, the guy who hacked the shield carrier in Avengers 1 because you can't trust the government, who refuses to give the government the secrets of his tech in iron man 2 for the same reason, how does he fail to notice that the government talked about two of his friends breaking contact as "Weapons going missing"?

I get Tony's ego is his flaw, but in this film it still seemed like they were making him a dumber hypocrite than he aught to have been.
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Re: Captain Right-merica or I-wrong man? (some spoilers, I guess)

[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2016-05-04 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
His entire schtick with supporting the Sokovia Accords was "Super heroes shouldn't just be allowed to do what they like" but then at the end decides to murder a man he knows to be innocent because He "doesn't care. He killed my mom". Tony is still such a hypocrite.

He is - tough honestly I might be too, over my Mom. But mostly with Tony it's that he acts impulsively - he always did. He also feels guilty over Ultron, so it's him projecting his own fuck-ups unto others. It's sort of like the lady said, covering guilt up with charity, only it's covering guilt up with assuming the moral igh ground.

Also, I don't know how I feel about the Sokovia Accords.

I agree some steps might be necessary, but Steve totally has a point. He knows politics. the thing about being prevented from helping, or being sent to a cause they don't support absolutely is a legit worry. Also, this is a guy who found out an organisation he trusted was infested with HYDRA not long go - he has legit concerns.

"Weapons going missing"?

I think it's plain old denial and it only hits him when he sees Wanda in chains.

dumber hypocrite than he aught to have been.

I don't think he's dumb, but he is a hippocrite, uses double measures and is certainly self-serving.