[ SECRET POST #3418 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3418 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/snDfXau.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Do people say this? I've only seen people bemoan how one-dimensional and cliche he is in the movies. He's basically made into a villain where he's an ally in the book. He's a complicated, interesting character in the book. But that's not necessarily about his relationship with Faramir. For me, it's more how in the movie he refused to send for Theoden and he basically gave up, and Gandalf *pure saint* usurped his position, even though that is the exact opposite of what Gandalf would do in the book. Those are the things I mean when I say they stripped the nobility out of him. /still bitter

[arcadiaego]

Yeah, this.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my God. So much this. Denethor is a giant dickweed in the books, too.

[illiadandoddity]

My complaint isn't no much that Denethor was a nicer guy in the books, but that the movies kind of stripped him of a lot of his dignity. He became a one-note antagonist, instead of a deeply flawed, occasionally cruel, but still honorable man.

And don't even get me started on what a narmy mess his movie death scene was.

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda find book denethor worse because for all his multi-layeredness and tolkien's insistence on not writing allegory, his whole concept as a character screams "I'm the pope, sittin here on my worldly chair and clinging to my power and thus make myself an ally to the devil despite my noble intentions because I'm too blind to know jesus when I see him". the movie had a more personal approach which I liked. let him be a dick on human terms with human motivations and take some of your own advice Johnny boy.

[arcadiaego]

Wouldn't Tolkien be pro-Pope?

[(Anonymous)]

Tolkien was a very devout Catholic so he probably would have. Anyway this is the first I've ever heard of the theory that Denethor is supposed to symbolize the pope, and I'm a longtime LOTR fan from way before the movies existed.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, he may have been a Catholic but if you examine the history he suggests as an alternate northern European pantheon it becomes obvious that he is strongly influenced by theosophy.
denethor is the stand in for the absent king living in a city built on seven his errr circles

[arcadiaego]

Yeah, I'm not Catholic so I was wondering if there's some context I'm missing out on here.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't get that at all. I felt his actions in the book were very relatable and human. It wasn't good but it wasn't "pope-like" at all.

[(Anonymous)]

why is this a secret?