[ SECRET POST #3418 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3418 ⌋

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05. [SPOILERS for Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood]




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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I never once said that they were lying or that I thought they were lying. I believe that he did do so to at least some of them. However, you have to understand WHY people would doubt them, and what makes it different from the other case. When gobs of people come forward to report a crime YEARS after the fact, and they do it at the same time, you honestly have to look at it with an especially critical eye.

Citing what happens to male victims isn't bullshit or rape apology. You were saying that female victims get blamed and disbelieved, and I said it wasn't limited to women. That's not bullshit at all. That's just showing that it isn't a gendered thing. And how you get that I was somehow apologizing for the actions of criminals by pointing out how bad things are for their victims...just, HOW did you come to that conclusion?

[diet_poison]

When people are talking about how an issue specifically affects women and you try to make the conversation into a man problem conversation, that tends to set peoples' teeth on edge, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

Except I didn't. Is so much as mentioning men somehow now to be considered restructuring the entire subject?

[diet_poison]

When people are specifically talking about rape as experienced by women, which includes they way women in particular are treated when they publicly accuse someone of rape, and you shoehorn in a "but it's a man problem too!"...I wouldn't call it restructuring the entire conversation, just an attempt to derail.

Rape as it affects men is another really big problem and it also gets talked about a lot on F!S. But it's socially a slightly different problem because of how people react to male and female rape victims. It's an enormous problem, with men often not being taken seriously at all, told they must have enjoyed it and it's not rape (if it was a female rapist), or treated as feminized and therefore inferior if it was a male rapist who penetrated them - it's just not the same problem as the one that's being talked about here so why bring it up, unless we're talking about rape in general? This thread started from a secret where a FEMALE OP talked about her experiences of fearing rape because of being FEMALE.

[(Anonymous)]

I was talking about how rape victims not being believed isn't gendered, as well as why those two cases cited aren't on equal footing. There was no attempt to derail, only to remind not to gender these things. Part of the reason we have those different issues with different victims is because we gender discussion of rape rather than talk about them side by side.

[diet_poison]

But again: the way men and women experience rape is not identical; sure, there's some overlap, but because of the way genders are separated and treated as entirely different entities by society, they are also generally treated differently when it comes to rape. And, again: this is in the context of rape as experienced by women, because OP specifically said they fear rape due to being female.

Part of the reason we have those different issues with different victims is because we gender discussion of rape rather than talk about them side by side.

I really do not think this is a significant factor, because in general the people who apologize for rape and promote rape culture are not the same people actively trying to stop it and therefore having these kinds of discussions.