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⌈ Secret Post #3429 ⌋

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Comments

[fishnchips]

Actually, the Hux side of fandom is pretty much the exact opposite of what you described- the vast, vast majority is completely aware that he's an evil genocidal asshole and does not even try to justify what he did. If you absolutely want to compare it with the Snape/Loki apologists, that happens much more with Kylo fans (especially in the Reylo setup, much less in the Kylux corner of things).

And no, Clint/Coulson is not comparable because compared to that ship, Kylo and Hux definitely have more canon interaction to fall back on, no matter how much you want to deny it.

And yay, falling back on the old "white cocks waah" whine.

[(Anonymous)]

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Kylo apologists make sense to me in Star Wars fandom; I mean, Darth Vader was redeemed before he died. The only canon that I can think of that is more forgiving to its characters' villainy is Naruto.

Speaking as someone in the Reylo part of the fandom, a lot of the excuses I see for Kylo Ren are of two types: an overreaction to anti-Reylo criticisms and/or people who point out that Kylo's crimes are not as extensive as others try to make them out to be. I don't see blind devotion "Kylo Ren did nothing wrong" posts except as a joke.

[fishnchips]

Ah, thank you for that clarification. It does make sense that a lot of people go OTT in the other direction if faced with such insane negativity. It's the main reason Kylux went from cracky niche-ship to flagship - because there was such a massive amount of policing going on, particularly in the Stormpilot ship, that people decided "fuck this shit I'm out" and switched sides because if there's one thing the Kylux fandom is, it's super chill and forgiving about just about any kink etc. (the biggest conflict there used to be "who tops").

The main thing I have seen was a number of Kylo fans do this thing that is very reminiscent of the "Loki was brainwashed as well during the Avengers and thus is not to blame": "Kylo was brainwashed by Snoke when he killed the other apprentices."

Considering the movie mentions Snoke having been kinda sorta there for a while, there might be a grain of truth in that theory. But that's where you get the people who go a bit OTT - there is a difference between "Kylo was influenced to a certain extent but he's still to blame for the people he killed" and "it was all Snoke and Kylo is just an innocent brainwashed bystander who is not to blame for what he did". I have seen both, and the latter is very close to "Kylo Ren did nothing wrong" - but it is definitely not the majority opinion.

People like seeing Kylo redeemed because the way he is written, it defnitely is a canon possibilty (even if it is a "redemption in death" like with Vader). I have seen massively woobiefied Kylo, but not nearly as much as there was woobiefied Loki.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I think part of the problem is how much we still don't know about Kylo Ren's past, so people can interpret what little we do have and come up with only exculpatory/inculpatory evidence based on their biases.

I was hoping Bloodline would help, but it blew up the "Kylo turned at 15" theory and gave us nothing else, lol.

[fishnchips]

Oh yeah, Bloodline actually created some massive ripples in the "Kylo turned at 15" crowd (I wasn't too hot on it either when I first heard about it but now, I think it may be even more interesting).
Eh, I think they're not going to give us any real new and important background material about the new main characters before VIII comes out.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not comparing Clint/Coulson to Kylux, I'm comparing Hux to Clint, as the phenomenon of a bland non-character (like Clint and Hux) becoming the fandom darling. And I've seen a huge amount of Hux humanizing and woobiefication, hell the most popular Kylux fic (done by Hollycomb) is basically one giant Draco in Leather Pants fic. This idea that the Kylux section of fandom is completely infallible is rather ridiculous.

"definitely more canon interaction"? Three or four more lines to each other isn't exactly an admirable benchmark.

And I'm sorry, but you sound very defensive and rude. Nothing in my comment was even combative.

[fishnchips]

With the exception that Clint had less screen time and lines than Hux and not a bigger novelisation presence. And again, I never said anything along the lines of Hux being the deepest and most complex character evarrrr.

Oh yeah, I really hate that Hollycomb fic series. But one popular fic series doesn't equal "Hux gets woobiefied across the board to the extent Loki did" - I never said it doesn't ever happen, just not nearly as often as with Loki ( considering there was da time every third to second Loki fic was either "Loki gets abused by Odin and or Thor" or "Loki gets captured and tortured/experimented on/raped") and not more than any other character in the fandom.

And if you can tell me where I called the fandom infallible I'd be much obliged- because I didn't. But compared to the other big ships, it is by far the least wanky and most chill.

I am not defensive but if you can't tell the difference between a discussion and being defensive it probably might seem this way. You made a point that didn't make sense because the comparison you made was an incorrect one. You also argued "white cock worship". I disagree on both accounts because it's untrue, plain and simple.