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fandomsecrets2016-05-24 06:34 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #3429 ⌋
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Re: Nerd Elitism
Oh man, redpill, that takes me back. You heard about governmentgetsgirlfriends yet?
As for the article: PREPARE FOR WORDVOMIT MY FRIEND. PREPARE.
Okay, first of all, I have READ Portnoy's Complaint and Lolita, and Lolita does not deserve the company of the rest of those books. (Since, as I mentioned, the book is NOT about male sexual fantasy. It's about complicity in the face of evil, and how child molesters can seem incredibly charming and persuasive, even as they admit to doing terrible things.)
Second, holy shit dude, wtf is wrong with you, giving your book about a man wanting to bang a teenager he thinks is his kid, TO YOUR TEENAGED KID. What, is the kid just not supposed to be bothered at all because he's male? That's such a creepy thing to do! And the author seems weirdly GLEEFUL about it.
The whole article just feels... childish. Like these guys LITERALLY can't imagine more sexual freedom than this. Like not getting published is somehow 'edgy' when it is, in fact, the norm. It's just, really guys? This is freedom to you? The idea that you can write about this stuff, and have it not considered political? (I mean, you get people STILL equating being queer with being a child molester! Why are straight guys able to get away with writing stuff like this without it being generalized to their whole sexual orientation?)
And speaking of sexual orientation and generalizations, the idea that this VERRRRRY specific book of this one author is somehow representative of male sexuality as a whole. And that this book, which covered ground books OVER FIFTY YEARS OLD have long since already covered, and probably more effectively, is supposed to be edgy and new. Seriously, when's the last time you saw a book about a trans person's fantasies being considered great literature? Books like this seem to only get to be 'great literature' when it's about a straight white dude!
Like, I recently came from a support group for male survivors of sexual abuse. We never outright discussed it, but I'm sure that like me, they have a VERY different idea of sexual freedom than this article and this author seem to. For me, sexual freedom is being able to TALK about my relationship. Period. Not my sex life, just my relationship. Being able to HAVE desires, to be SEEN as a sexual subject, rather than a sexual object. To have sexuality OUTSIDE of the abuse I sustained. And yes, I would consider the freedom to express needs for cuddles, or affection, or intimacy, also part of sexual freedom, even though that article seems to denounce that.
It seems to be this nudge-nudge-wink-wink, "I know guys, women like to think we're just cuddle-bunnies, but YOU know what I'm talking about, don't you man? Huh, huh?" And I'm like, "No, sir, I do not. GOOD DAY SIR."
And finally, I get really irked with the way it draws this line in the sand, like MEN like THIS and WOMEN and ACADEMICS with their stupid TRIGGER WARNINGS and crap, as though no man can ever be triggered, or ever want a WARNING before going into a book ahead of time.
Like, this guy thinks this book is SOOOOO edgy, pushing the envelope, and to me, that was how I thought all male sexuality WAS until I got out of my situation and met my husband. It took him over a YEAR to persuade me that no, really, I wasn't a freak on earth and a fake man for not wanting to rape anyone. No, he didn't want to rape me. No, he still didn't. OMG STOP ASKING NO.
To them, this is obviously just a thought experiment. The idea of actual incest, child molestation, or sexual violence is just SO FAR from their experience it doesn't even OCCUR to them except in a, "teehee, we made them mad!" kinda way. It just feels like the literary version of screaming, "POOP!" at a dinner party.
Re: Nerd Elitism
No? Do I want to? o.O
It just feels like the literary version of screaming, "POOP!" at a dinner party.
omg xD
I also think though that as a straight cis dude it's probably very, very easy to take for granted that your demographic has been the deciding factor for all but the last few decades of western society as to what is popular.
The sweeping generalization about male sexuality got me too. And some men seem to think that male sexuality = predatory and it's this big open secret that's too controversial to talk about and I'm like...wow I hope men aren't all like that. (Fortunately I know they are not, but some guys are so desperate to have their harmful tendencies normalized that they want people to think they are all like that.)
...I'm not sure if I worded that very well.
Re: Nerd Elitism
And some men seem to think that male sexuality = predatory and it's this big open secret that's too controversial to talk about and I'm like...wow I hope men aren't all like that.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, going back to your redpill wanderings, it's this weird thing where guys will argue their innate sexuality is predatory, and then blame feminism or SJW or whatever as though THEY invented the idea. It's this weird cognitive dissonance.
I know for a while, I thought I couldn't BE male because I couldn't connect with those kinds of claims at all. Man, those were nasty times. Thankfully, things are much better now and I know how bullshit it is.
Re: Nerd Elitism
(Women are people, we are not commodities, you sick fuck. Gah!)
I've seen redpill types argue that their sexuality is inherently predatory and we should just accept an enable it - not in so many words
at least not yetbut the concept is there.I know for a while, I thought I couldn't BE male because I couldn't connect with those kinds of claims at all. Man, those were nasty times. Thankfully, things are much better now and I know how bullshit it is.
I'm really glad you got past that. <3 I can't imagine how much more of a mire all this bullshit must be if you're trans. And I know that the majority of men are not delusional regressive sickos. (Thank fuck.) But the people who are continue to freak me out. o.O
Re: Nerd Elitism
I've seen redpill types argue that their sexuality is inherently predatory and we should just accept an enable it - not in so many words at least not yet but the concept is there.
Yeah, it's this fucked up thing where their sexuality is innate and unchangeable... but people should also NEVER protect themselves from it the way we would if half our population really WERE incapable of controlling themselves. They want to have their cake and eat it too, and it is a cake OF BULLSHIT.
I've heard that predators assume everyone would do what they do, given the chance. Bleh.
Re: Nerd Elitism