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[ SECRET POST #3432 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3432 ⌋

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[Flaky Pastry]

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02. http://i.imgur.com/kqv1lD2.gifv
[Homestuck, gif]

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03. [SPOILERS for Fire Emblem Fates]

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04. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

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05. [SPOILERS for Captain America: Civil War]

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06. [WARNING for all common triggers/general discussion of triggering material]

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07. [WARNING for rape]

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I've always felt that while porn and slash and taboo stuff was always a huge part of fandom, it used to be more meta centric and con centric and stuff until the last few years. But a while back, I found an article talking about the Star Trek fandom and how the whole purpose was Spock/Kirk slash.

Which got me wondering... is it actually just that the fandom I was in was so meta heavy? (Harry Potter, BTW. Which is ironic because at the time I thought we were way too focused on porn, but no, as far as fandoms go we were practically puritans.*) Has fandom always largely been about porn over meta and speculation? Or does it just vary from place to place?

*Although arguably, it was more that HP fandom was so huge, it was easier to find more meta-centric and less porn-centric spaces.

I think fandom has always been a mix of both. Still is.

I think it might be because the largest portion of fic creators and readers are growing up. So, they are becoming more sexual and such.

It depends on which part of the fandom you're hanging out in. Every fandom I've ever been in has both, but if you surround yourself with the right people you only ever see that side.

Actually, according to people on here, porn isn't allowed any more because the fucking kids are stupid babies and fandom is Puritan now, so.

lol, porn is everywhere. Those people are morons.

Well, they are, and it is.

Maybe they view it that way because other people here are advocating jail for writers of underage fic and wishing rape on people with rape fantasies.

Yes, a few anonymous loons = ALL FANDOM

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

(Anonymous) - 2016-05-29 17:28 (UTC) - Expand

Sidenote: if anyone knows of any actual Puritan fandom PLEASE let me know. Repression is a huge kink of mine.

Mmmm. Seconding!

Like, are we talking about Princesse du Cleves type of repression, or Scarlet Letter (lit) repression? I'm all about that self denial.

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

(Anonymous) - 2016-05-28 11:56 (UTC) - Expand

Well, since there's this huge post going around about that law that was passed in 2003 about artwork and depictions of obscene material with child/underage characters, well, as far as tumblr is concerned, yep.

Though I KNOW that will be used to target people who like age gaps, but age up any character who is "under-aged."

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

(Anonymous) - 2016-05-28 01:49 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

otakugal15 - 2016-05-28 12:57 (UTC) - Expand

Something to keep in mind is that when people talk about fandom, they generally talk about their personal experiences. So that guy saying the whole point of ST fanfic was for Spock/Kirk porn might only be basing that on the fact that that's why he got into it. Someone else might beg to differ.

That's also why "the story of the fandom I was in" books fall apart. People read them and have no idea how said person was in their fandom.

Yeah. I grew up in the era of the fanzines, and saw The Motion Picture first run in theaters, and I can say that the slash was far from the whole point. Out of three or four stories in a 'zine, you'd get one every other issue that was slash. The rest were all gen adventures, albeit with a higher frequency of OC Mary Sues than you'd prefer. While there was always a flirtatious tone in the letters and articles pages when it came to McCoy/Kirk/Spock the people calling them outright lovers was a minimum. Mostly it was the worldbuilding and character motivations.

Slash might have been a big thing for some people, and it probably was a much bigger thing for the gradually more open gay community than it was for everyone else, but it was seldom anything other than a minor thread in fandom. Now Doctor Who fandom, that was gay as fuck.

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

(Anonymous) - 2016-05-28 16:39 (UTC) - Expand

I remember some really kinky Weiss Kreuz fanfics from back in the day, we're talking 2002. That was back when we had angelfire and geocities, and people would warn (advertise) for slash, and if you had you're own personal page you have a lot of TL;DR that you would have to read very carefully so you would know to click Aya's bellybutton and it would take you to the pr0n. Where you would read beautiful purple prose about Omi's unrequited love for Ken, with maybe a story about Duo sucking off Heero Yui linked somewhere.

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, fandom has always been about porn.

Weiss Kreuz~~. Man, I have that on DVD and the dub outtakes are still the fucking funniest thing on the planet.

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

iceyred - 2016-05-28 02:38 (UTC) - Expand

lmao the "Click heres"

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iceyred - 2016-05-28 02:37 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

otakugal15 - 2016-05-28 12:59 (UTC) - Expand

...That fandom had some of the absolute best porn out there at the time, too.

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

iceyred - 2016-05-28 02:35 (UTC) - Expand

not sure if fandom is more porn heavy than it used to be (I mean...it probably is though, just when you consider the impressively massive amounts of smut), but there were hundreds of fanzines around during the 70s-90s (and I'd imagine there were some around even after the internet become widely used for fandom) that people used to publish their fanfiction and a fair amount of it was porn. There probably would have been even more porn if some creators didn't take legal action against zines (for example, Lucasfilms was okay with clean fanfic but threatened legal action against people who tried to publish pornographic stories featuring Star Wars characters. Some people got around it but it made a lot of others antsy about writing explicit fic)

no. anyone who tells you otherwise is probably a myopic live-action tv fan who is unaware that fandom existed long before television.

I dunno, as someone who mocked bad Harry Potter fanfiction over ten years ago (I still have the email account I made for the purpose), I feel like the porn hasn't changed much. I mean, I read Kingdom Hearts porn that described an anus as a rosebud.

I DO think it's gotten EASIER to find the porn. Ao3 has taken over where a bunch of different fandom-specific sites (and sometimes, PAIRING-specific sites) used to proliferate. You still have those, but now I can go to Ao3 and find most anything.

Yeah... maybe not mostly, but fandom has always been over 50% porn. And with Tumblr being the major fandom platform, meta tends to get buried because the platform discourages discussion.

This is an old fight. Like, older than I am. There was a body of fans of science fiction concepts who hated so-called "media fans" who were all about the shipping.

There's something about a fan who can be shown strange and novel world-building, or deep and complex non-sexual elements of characterization, and only think, "I want to see those two characters make out." Apparently some people are just that sexually obsessed.

I feel it was a combination of both, but the porn really tended to stand out more. I remember I had tons of meta bookmarked in my livejournal back in the day. Wish I had kept the links because some of it was really interesting. Also we had a lot of shipping meta. Remember ship_manifesto?

Oh man, ship_manifesto. I actually wrote a thing for that, but never posted because it was book series nobody really cared about, and the comm seemed dead. Probably still have it on my computer.

Re: Was fandom always mostly for porn?

dahli - 2016-05-29 05:02 (UTC) - Expand

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