[ SECRET POST #3432 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3432 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Flaky Pastry]



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02. http://i.imgur.com/kqv1lD2.gifv
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03. [SPOILERS for Fire Emblem Fates]




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04. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]




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05. [SPOILERS for Captain America: Civil War]




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06. [WARNING for all common triggers/general discussion of triggering material]




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07. [WARNING for rape]























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Comments

[lady_dragoon]

And intentions do matter, and I am pretty sure that Tony didn't WANT to create a murder robot, and he didn't WANT people to die on his watch (As THAT is part of his trauma).

Then you would think, rather than passing off responsibility for all the deaths and destruction he did, in fact, cause on the rest of his teammates who had no part in the creation of Ultron, he might actually take personal responsibility for what happened at Sokovia, rather than badmouth the very thing that saved the world's bacon from his murderbot (unsanctioned vigilante justice).

I agree calling him a psychopath may be a little harsh, but he definitely has narcissistic traits. Lots of them.

[luxshine]

I am pretty sure we were supposed to think Tony was in the wrong about the agreements. Also I think that for Tony, given his attitude in Iron Man 2, getting under the goverment control WAS a way to take responsability, as misguided as it was.

OTOH, if we're only calling him Selfish and Selfcentered (Which is a little less loaded than actually diagnosing him as narcissitic, which implies he can't care about other people) I completely agree and have no argument against it. As yes, he IS selfish and selfcentered, and his way of showing he cares is really lacking.

[lady_dragoon]

To be honest, I really don't think he's capable of caring for others unless he finds them useful in some capacity. Whether as unwitting pawns or some other donkey to pin the tail on whenever his hands get too dirty. I wouldn't say he's a full-blown narcissist, but he does have some narcissistic traits.

He refuses to take responsibility for his mistakes. He projects his behavior onto others. He doesn't involve his teammates in important decisions, and then gets mad at them for not trusting him. He refuses to understand, respect, or even acknowledge anyone else's point of view, or admit when they're right and he's not. He will not think twice about throwing his so-called friends under the proverbial bus to save his own neck.

These are flaws that are not in any way related to PTSD, and pointing out that these traits make him highly irritating character to watch isn't ignoring his storyarc. It's in fact acknowledging that his storyarc still has a long way to go.

[luxshine]

He cares for Pepper, Rhodey, Happy, Bruce, and Coulson, for example. I'd add Natasha, but I can't pinpoint an exact scene for that.

And he cares deeply for all of them. If you can't see that, then I recommend you watch the Iron Man trilogy and Avengers without your Tony-hate glasses on.

(and for fucks sake, all his Iron Man Career is about redeeming himself in his own eyes for the time he was the merchant of death. HIS mistake, HIS dirty hands. He didn't say "well, that was Obie" and washed his hands. He KEPT working at fixing the mess he had made, even if the way he did it was "irritating")

In any case, we're going in circles. I should've known better than to defend Tony in the current MCU-fandom, right after they adapted the storyarc that murdered his character in 616. I guess I'll have to wait until some genious in marketing decides to adapt the current Captain America comic storyline for Steve to be considered the most evil person in the MCU.

[lady_dragoon]

And as Iron Man, he isn't much of a hero.

We're only going in circles because you keep hammering the same strawman over and over. I never said he was a psychopath. I even agreed calling him one is being overly harsh. Saying he has narcissistic traits doesn't mean I'm saying he has NPD.

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like Iron Man isn't the only crazy one projecting here...

[(Anonymous)]

Butthurt anon is still butthurt.

[(Anonymous)]

Speak for yourself, you're clearly just as butthurt.