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⌈ Secret Post #3443 ⌋

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(Thunderbirds Are Go! 2004 Movie)

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[Top Gear]

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[Chris Hardwick]

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[Dylan O’Brien]

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[A Little Princess by Frances Hodgson Burnett]

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[Orphan Black]

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[Captain America Civil War]

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[Drakengard 3]

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[Kiznaiver]

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[Doogie Howser, MD]

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[Captain America Civil War]

well, yeah. He was right, and most of the characters came from a kind of correct perspective. It's the execution that counts - contrast Zemo with the mother that confronts Tony at the beginning of the movie. Same story, different approach to the *same* Avenger. Different results.

Zemo was right, but what he did wasn't. The ends do not justify the means. Black Panther taking him into custody was the right thing.

Especially since Zemo will live to form the Thunderbolts. THUNDERBOLTS : Summer 2021. Justice... Like Lightning!

There were a lot of people out for vengeance in this movie. I think as long as you look at it from their PoV and what they must be feeling then they are justified to feel that way.

Though I don't see what the good is of tearing apart the avengers since they do have saved the world a couple times. Collateral damage is unfortunate but sometimes unavoidable. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and all that.

Ultron was their fault.

Ultron was Tony's fault.

Ultron was Wanda's fault, which was Hydra's fault.

More Tony's fault than Wanda's fault. She wasn't mind controlling him to do it.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-06-13 03:20 (UTC) - Expand

Ultron was many people's fault, including Tony but also Wanda.

Ultron was Joss Whedon's fault.

Clearly the best answer.

(Anonymous) - 2016-06-08 00:53 (UTC) - Expand

Too bad the writing on these points wasn't good enough to point that out, or leave out examples like New York (at which time the Avengers were under the oversight of a SHIELD that without them would have just blown up the whole city), etc. Instead it was a bunch of conflated bullshit about how "you murdered my person by throwing a building on them."

Also too bad that the entire superhero genre falls apart like someone in Harry Potter pointing out that magic isn't possible when you start worrying about the ethics of vigilantism and assume government and judicial power is enough to protect people, but, well.

He killed a bunch of innocent people on purpose. Can't really get behind someone like that.

Eh. He's no Magneto. Thaaattt is the end-justifies-the-means motherfucker I CONSTANTLY wrestle with how much I agree with.

That said, Zemo had a legitimate grievance but overreacted wildly - just like everybody else in Civil War!

Well....about what, specifically? He has a handful of vendettas/points.

The problem is he *DELIBERATELY* killed a bunch of innocent people to get his way. He killed non-innocent people, too, but they were asleep when he shot them in the head. He also used a person he KNEW for a fact was brainwashed for his personal goal by re-traumatizing him (and was willing to get him killed, too).

So it's not so much he's ideologically wrong, it's just that he's basically a murderer and terrorist. And generally, those who murder for ideology...are not great human beings.

Edited 2016-06-07 22:54 (UTC)

I haven't seen the movie, but if he's a Zemo, then I assume he really wasn't right in the end. Doing things the wrong way, even if they have a good point among all the evil stupidities, is their whole thing.

Well, the point is he might be right about the mere existence of superheroes causing more neon-powered humans to die.

But he does this by making non-powered humans die, so...you know.

DA. I know it's a typo, but I really love the idea of neon-powered humans ngl.

kallanda_lee - 2016-06-08 00:08 (UTC) - Expand

Are you for real? A reasonable response to tragedy is getting two people obliquely responsible to punch each other via a convoluted plot involving murdering countless bystanders? Did he do something else less fucking evil that I missed?

Oh. I didn't know Daniel Bruhl was in the movie. I still won't ever see it, but I like him.

I still can't ever remember his character name, so I just say, "And DANIEL BRUHL did that stupid shit..."

+1
Came here to say exactly this.

Didn't this guy lead a death squad in the Sokovian army? He probably killed plenty of people who presumably had loved ones too. Killing people under order is definitely worse than doing so under brainwashing or as collateral damage while trying to save a city, so fuck him.

Didn't this guy lead a death squad in the Sokovian army?

Yes, he did. By his own admission.