[ SECRET POST #3451 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3451 ⌋

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Comments

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's funny I'm being called a troll, I was actually completely serious. I think the whole upset over that poster is ridiculous, especially in light of how the trailers turned out - with Mystique as the central actor, the hero, getting things done and uniting the X-Men. (I have not yet seen the film, haven't had time/money.)

And I found beating the shit out of bad guys in Arkham City (my bad) as Catwoman REALLY SATISFYING. :D Way more so than I did as Batman, in fact.

I'm willing to admit that some people have a decent argument about not really seeing male superheroes in this position, but it's not super common period (to see choking of a male OR female superhero on a poster) so I still don't think the upset over the poster is warranted.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Literally nobody has called you a troll. All of the accusations of trollishness were directed at commenters posting in this thread: http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1433192.html?thread=916521320#cmt916521320

Just because a number of people think your POV is wrong doesn't mean that we consider you disingenuous; you can be both wrong and sincere.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I misread a comment, my bad. :)

People can think I'm wrong; I expected the majority of people here to disagree with me. I did get some decent arguments out of it, though (as in, not as ridiculous as claims of 'MISOGYNY IN ACTION, FIRE SOMEONE').

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Upset maybe, but these claims of sexism make absolutely no sense. I say that as a feminist. Imagine a man in the same position and ask yourselves if you would still be upset. If so, great! It means you're upset by the image itself. If not, examine your double standards.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

what kind of feminist are you that you don't recognise there is an inequality between men and women and that's why people don't get as upset at male heroes being portrayed as helpless victims...

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I recognize that inequality. That's why I'm a feminist. But I also recognize the need to view women as individuals and not a stand-in for All Women Everywhere. It's dehumanizing to do so.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

You're glossing over a whole lot of context here. Up to 10% of homicides in the U.S. each year are due to strangulation, with female victims and male murderers comprising the overwhelming majority (80+%) of cases. And up to ~70% of abused women have experienced strangulation at the hands of their abusive partners.

That's a major part of why it's sexist for a promotional poster for a superhero flick to use an image of a woman being choked by a man: because it's evoking and repurposing what in RL is both a horrific and a very gendered crime.

And it's also worth noting that there aren't any promotional posters for action films that involve a male hero looking similarly cowed or beaten, much less in this particular gendered way. Scenes like that may appear in the movie--from which the male hero eventually emerges triumphant--but they're not still-framed, divorced from the narrative, and presented to potential viewers as enticement.

I would be disturbed by seeing a male character in the same position, but I'm more disturbed by seeing a female character in it. That's not a double standard; that's a recognition of the existing sexist milieu of which the image is a part.