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⌈ Secret Post #3462 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Fanfic pet peeves

[soldatsasha]

But how will we know that they're Strong Independent Women if they aren't described as scary and hyper-competent at all times?

Re: Fanfic pet peeves

[tabaqui]

NATASHA SAID SHE ONLY PRETENDS TO KNOW EVERYTHING!!!
*flails about*

I just hate it. That and how they're always 'amused' at the sadness and bewilderment of whatever the main pairing is who thinks the other half doesn't like them/return their affections/whatever. Really? It's amusing to see your friend in pain and unhappy? ARRGH.

Re: Fanfic pet peeves

[soldatsasha]

Oh ugh, yeah. I think I'd be pretty pissed off if I was in a mutual pining situation and my so-called friends didn't bother to clue either of us in. Or were taking bets on us or something.

It really frustrates me with Natasha especially, bc (in the MCU at least) she's written as being someone who's very conflicted and lost and regularly makes really poor decisions. That's why she's so great! Because she's a reformed super spy who doesn't know how to friend! She's total crap at feelings! Like, I get it if Sam Wilson is your go-to Advice Guy, since that's what he does. But Natasha? (Or worse, Jane, who's romance consists of two days of flirting with an immortal being?)

Re: Fanfic pet peeves

[tabaqui]

ALL OF THIS. Regardless of the utterly weird 'Natasha throwing girls at Steve' shite, she's not the person to ask about love, or relationships.

And i hated that, too. Two (three?) years ago, Steve was in the middle of a war, lost his best friend, and basically killed himself to save his world. So let's hustle him out into the world and try and force him into any random relationship we can think of!! It'll be awesome!!

So frustrating.

I love Natasha being *human*, not Super Spy Impenetrable Girl. I mean, she lost her temper at Tony and yelled at him in Latin. She's not the ice queen.

Re: Fanfic pet peeves

[soldatsasha]

I think the 'throwing girls at Steve' thing was honestly her trying to be a good friend. Like I can easily see the thought process behind it that would lead her to doing that. It rubbed me the wrong way at first but the more I thought about it the more it made perfect sense.

- Steve is lonely and out of place now that he's in the future.
- Steve doesn't have the luxury of adapting slowly and no one will understand or be terribly sympathetic to the difficulties he's experiencing.
- Peggy is old.
- Lots of people move on from relationships by getting into NEW relationships.
- Therefore, if Steve gets a modern girlfriend he will a) stop missing Peggy so much and b) be happy now that he's found someone new to love, and c) stop being so lonely, and d) have someone on his side who IS sympathetic and might advocate on his behalf
- Lots of people set their friends up on dates, and Natasha wants to be Steve's friend so she will do Friend Things for him.

Natasha doesn't understand close friendships or love. She says so herself at several points. She knows the basic motions but doesn't understanding the underlying emotions.

Re: Fanfic pet peeves

[tabaqui]

Eh, i dunno. I don't think she's that clueless.

But then, personally, i *detest* the 'your partner died last year/you got divorced last year and are still recovering/sad about it/unhappy. DATE DATE DATE DATE!!! I've always felt that people need to be left the hell alone to do what works for them. And it's pretty obvious Steve? Doesn't really want to date, at all. The 'no shared experiences' comment makes it seem, to me, that he just does not have the interest or energy in trying to 'fit in' and/or get through the whole 'omg, Captain America!!!!!' thing.

Besides. He's in love with Bucky. :)

Re: Fanfic pet peeves

[soldatsasha]

I don't think she's clueless. I just think she doesn't know how to help him in any kind of constructive good-guy sort of way. She's grasping at straws and latching onto solutions, even when Steve is telling her those solutions are wrong.

She drops the ball all over the place, not just with Steve. I'd also like to think she wouldn't be so clueless as to go along with the Accords, but I think the movies make it pretty clear that in the process of her trying to do the right thing and be a good person she's making a lot of dumb mistakes.

She wants to have a life where she's on the good side and she sets her cute friends up on cute dates and builds lasting friendships with her team, and she's spent so long acting that it's nothing for her to build a facsimile of this, but none of that is actually sustainable in the long term. She's an anti-hero more suited to sketchy espionage and manipulation, and her friends aren't dating material, and the Avengers aren't a team.