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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-03-29 05:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #449 ]


⌈ Secret Post #449 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 19 pages, 474 secrets from Secret Submission Post #065.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ], [ 1 - empty comment ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: 53

[identity profile] dev-chieftain.livejournal.com 2008-03-31 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think I'm the one demanding that society excuse me for my perversions just because I wouldn't do something unrelated to those perversions in real life.

You get over your complexes.

Re: 53

[identity profile] paper-shi.livejournal.com 2008-04-01 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
: / i hope you can get a more open opinion about things you don't agree with. i had written a long reply and all but i think it will do no good.

Re: 53

[identity profile] dev-chieftain.livejournal.com 2008-04-01 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a perfectly open opinion about the actual subject matter. But that secret was not requesting people to be "open minded"; it was telling people "you're stupid, how dare you have an opinion about something that I like."

Internet logic is always circular. You can scream and cry at me, saying "You have no right to tell me what to think or like!", but that's true both ways. I don't have to like or respect someone regardless of their preferences. People judge each other. That will not change because we're only human. The best you can hope for is that you will present yourself in a way to others that allows them to accept you, and that others will do the same for you. Shouting out in all caps that there's nothing wrong with liking shota, or trying to rationalize any other fetish, is not the same as saying "Yeah, actually, I kind of like shota. I wouldn't do it in real life, but it somehow gets to me in a way that other fetishes don't."

In the future, I do think--if you're responding to a signed comment-- it's worth doing some research before jumping in to tell someone you don't know to have more "open opinions". You don't know a thing about me, or what I like or don't like. You don't even know what my opinions are, except that I think this secret is phrased poorly, and shows a whiny sense of entitlement. You have no reason to preach to me. I just refuse to agree with a chorus of "HELL YEAH, people should accept my crazy fetishes like they're totally normal!!" comments. That's not closed-minded; that's just me, being annoyed with a poorly phrased secrets and bandwagoners saying "YEAH!" to it.

Re: 53

[identity profile] paper-shi.livejournal.com 2008-04-01 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
The first thing, is that i was not preaching to you, or saying that you're closed minded, or jumping on any kind of bandwagon. If you were only opposing the secret, it really did not come out that way, at all. it just seemed like another tirade on people who like things that you do not like.

You're right that you dont have to like anything that someone else does, nor do you have to accept them. you also do not have to keep your mouth shut, but i do have to say, just as you said that everyone is human and every human judges the next, its important to remember that you do not have to do that. You can just accept or even be civil that a person does not like what you like or that you do not like what they do. i never claimed to know you, nor did i strike out at you in that way. i didn't 'come at you', i wasn't rude and i didn't use any caps, bold, internet language or anything like that, so im not sure what you're referring to. i think that you read my other reply, as that seems to be what you're referring to, but if not, i'll gladly put it up. all i was saying is that there will always be someone, just as you said, who does not like what you like. Just because you can judge them doesn't mean you have to. The point is not to hope society accepts you but tho carry yourself in such a way that you can get along without causing an intentional rift, or going against the grain. When someone shouts out something controversial, it will be heard, so the choice is to shout it or to keep quiet, there are reasons for doing both, but personally, i see no need to shout to people who will not care or will not like it, or even to shout at all.
Again, this is only my opinion just as the rest is yours, but please do not call me out to say that i was saying or acting like i know you or your interests, because i did not do that.

Your comment, to me, and your comment is all i have to go by when speaking with you, did not sound very open minded. it did not sound like you were willing to deal with, or accept the idea that someone likes something that you do not like. However, as the secret said, whether worded badly or not, it is true that fantasy does not equal reality and saying 'yes it isn't real but its still ____' makes both a valid and invalid point in that it is still whatever is being displayed, but it also is not real, and that is the point of it.

Forgive me if you feel offended or pointed at or anything, but my only point with this was the tone of your comment, and the way you said what you said, not even what you said. it didn't sound like you were going towards the secret at all, but on the entire subject. Its stupid to say 'this is my interest you must also like it', which is what the secret seemed to say to you, but it is also unreasonable to come at people and expect no one to come back, just as it seems people are doing to you. it is circular logic but it certainly does not have to be. saying people judge as justification only continues that logic.

Please do not assume that i have not done any research or just 'jumped on the bandwagon' because i noticed a thread that i took interest in. To be honest, the first anon reply about seeing people for their actions, not their interests, is also me, so i have been watching this thread for quite some time.

Re: 53

[identity profile] paper-shi.livejournal.com 2008-04-01 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
As a side note, no you don't have to respect another person for what they like, You don't have to respect another person for anything at all, but that is not an excuse not to.

Re: 53

[identity profile] dev-chieftain.livejournal.com 2008-04-01 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
You are failing at reading comprehension, if you honestly think that that was what I was saying.

Re: 53

(Anonymous) 2008-04-01 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
You're sort of showing it with a reply like that, it was a little rude, but i was referring to this part of what you said

"I don't have to like or respect someone regardless of their preferences"

and saying that no, you don't have to, but that isn't an excuse not to. i took your comment into notepad and read each point 2 or 3 times to make sure i was reading it right.

Re: 53

[identity profile] paper-shi.livejournal.com 2008-04-01 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
forgive me, i was logged out, but there is my reply.

Re: 53

(Anonymous) 2008-04-01 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
You said you found shota-lovers sick. Seems pretty clear to me.

lol so its ok to eat people and fuck animals (and little girls!) but not little boys.

Re: 53

(Anonymous) 2008-04-01 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
No, she didn't. Read her posts, she never actually gets around to saying whether she likes or dislikes shota herself.

Lol, other anon, megafail

Re: 53

(Anonymous) 2008-04-01 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
lol o ok my bad. that still doesnt cover the fact that she's making up things she's said.

Re: 53

(Anonymous) 2008-04-02 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
what are you even talking about, anon?

pssht, it's like apr. 1 you're just here to try to make wankt aren't you