[ SECRET POST #3468 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3468 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

This gets me thinking. Do Lord-of-Dorkness ow-the-edge characters (typically created by male fans) get mocked as much as pure sparklypoos (typically created by female fans?) I'm inclined to say yes, in which case I agree with you that gender isn't the specific problem.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the answer to that question has varied greatly at different times during the 40 years since 'Mary Sue'. I agree that gender isn't the specific problem right now but I think there are times when it was a very valid, relevant point.

[(Anonymous)]

I can think of some examples of male characters often cited as examples of Sues or showing Sue-like qualities - Edward Cullen and Eragon most prominently.

[(Anonymous)]

Drizzt Do'urden.

But Drizzt was also popular for a long time.

[(Anonymous)]

I cited Eragon and Edward largely because they were mocked as Stus pretty much right away by noticeable swathes of fans with large communities dedicated to making fun of them.

I do agree that female characters get accused of being Sues more often - some really are Sues but others are not, or have Sue-like qualities that would be more likely to go unnoticed in male characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Drizzt always had a lot of fans, but people have also been making fun of Drizt - and especially of cheap Drizzt knock-offs - for ages.

[(Anonymous)]

Harry Keogh used to be cited as a major author's Marty Stu in the later Necroscope novels. Lumley went full on godmode with him.

[ketita]

Sometimes yes, but then you get characters like Kvothe in the Name of the Wind, who is such a Sue I think that from now on we should call them Kvothes, and people love that book and that character. So clearly it's still going with male characters too.

[(Anonymous)]

Here's mockery of the male version from the skews-male SCP site: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-10101-j

[(Anonymous)]

Both can be obnoxious but a true Sue, regardless of gender, can feel too well done. It's one thing to read the author's power fantasy. It's another thing to see the author IN the fantasy. That's when it gets creepy to me.

But over-powered/perfect/loved/tortured characters are obnoxious no matter what.