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Sirius/Remus is one of the least likely ships I can think of, personally. Being friends =|= being sekrit gay lovers. I think Remus could, in some ways, be hungry enough for affection to take love from people of either gender, but I think that boat sailed for Sirius Black after the whole 'Azkaban' thing. Not because he actually deserved to go to prison, but because once Remus was on his own, he grew up, grew a backbone, and realized that Sirius isn't always right. Which is why, when we see them later, Remus is the one telling Sirius to sit down and calm down in the Order meetings with Snape, while in the memories of their times as students he was a complete pushover.

And if Sirius is gay for anyone, it's James. James is all he talks about, in a manner that I would consider to be somewhat 'infatuated', and he doesn't ever talk about Remus that same way. In the Worst Memory scene, Sirius is insulting toward Peter and very insensitive toward Remus. I don't think there was much secret love there. As for in adulthood, Sirius was clearly very depressed and not taking care of himself in book 5 when he was stuck in Grimmauld the entire time, and Remus being forced to take care of him doesn't really strike me as good conditions for secret gay love. If they were in some kind of fulfilling relationship, I tend to think that Sirius would be a little bit happier, and Remus wouldn't have been short with him.

While I personally don't think that Remus/Tonks was a healthy or realistically written relationship, I don't think it was covering up subtext. I think it's because Remus is one of JKR's favorite characters and she wanted him to get some 'love' before killing him off, and the romantic relationships in her books are consistently dysfunctional and for a lot of them you have to suspend reality for a moment to try and accept them as canon. She likes mismatched pairings where the two characters in question are drastically different, she likes pairings where the characters have a long relationship of fighting, she loves them getting married ridiculously young and with super short time dating (remember that James and Lily, the canon's essential ~dream otp~ started off as enemies, came from completely different backgrounds, dated for one year and then married 'right out of school' so around 18 or 19 years old, and had a baby within two years of marriage. Not exactly setting themselves up for success, are they? But we have to trust that they were successful because JKR says it was so) JKR values passion over compatibility. If Remus and Tonks had actually managed to survive the final battle, I would personally hope that she wouldn't have written them as still together, because I think that Remus seemed truly unhappy about every aspect of their relationship except for Teddy. But that's just my opinion. I have fandom pairings for Remus that I read fanfic about for fun, but as far as the canon goes, I can't actually imagine him realistically being put with any of the characters provided. Remus/Tonks was terrible, imho, but I think that Remus/Sirius is a ship that is formed entirely out of fandom, fanfic, fan drawings, and so forth. I don't think it has any basis in canon at all.

tl;dr - it isn't actually subtext, it's that JKR's friendships are almost always more romantic and plausible than her canon ships.

Well said. XDDD

*Applauds* THANK YOU! You said everything I was about to, only you actually put it into terms people could understand. I guess what it basically comes down to is that JKR can't write a believable romance. As much as I love the HP books, she has a knack for telling and not showing when it comes to romance, which is a fatal flaw when it comes to writing.

I struggle with James and Lily in particular. I don't know why I am fixated on them, but so much about that relationship is unexplained. When, exactly, did James grow up and Lily start noticing him? Why was he made Head Boy if he was still acting out in that way after the incident where he saved Snape, the original reason we're given for his being made Head Boy? The only things we ever actually see about them are from Snape's point of view, which makes it really tough to get a good grasp on it.

I just think there was so much going against them. Having a baby so young, after such a hasty marriage, and then going into hiding for an entire year. Only each other for company and the strain of a baby, man... that's a lot of stress for a relationship between two people who are basically still kids. I wish we knew more about that.

Haha, but at the same time I really don't wish we had more, because I don't really trust JKR to give me satisfactory answers without making me hate them =\

This is what we need good fic for. =/

I think she can write a believable romance, so long as you accept that romances are sometimes (in her world, often) dysfunctional. I think she hit it right with Molly and Arthur.

<3

Thank you. This makes SO much sense I'm bookmarking it. And linking it. I never liked either ship, or any canon ships in HP, but I've never really understood why until just now.

yay for a well-thought out response.

Can I have your internet babies?

Agreed, completely. I was never able to grasp Sirius/Remus, despite my friends' fangirl squeeing, and I always thought that Sirius/James would have been much more plausible, if there was any romance within the Marauders at all. All of JK Rowling's romances are iffy, so I felt the same about Remus/Tonks. JK Rowling said that she had planned the epilogue for a long time. I think the main reason for that is because she wanted to show Teddy Tonks and how things had changed - he was an orphan, just like Harry, except much happier in comparison. Something like that. So it's also possible that JK Rowling threw together two of some of her favourite characters, who she planned to later kill off, so that they would have Teddy.

I don't know. Thanks for posting that, though.

Thank you. That's everything I've always thought about Sirius/Remus and never been able to put into words.

*nodnod* AGREED!

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