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Accused child rapist. Which isn't much better, but still -- due process and all that.

Also making excuses not to post links is worse than not describing your link.

For everyone else:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html

due process in these types of case is uutter bullshit.

also, we're under no obligation to follow it. the court has to consider him as the accused be we can decide for ourselves if he's guilty.

No. No it is not. Unless you think we should go back to lynching and burning people for accusations?

"we can decide for ourselves if he's guilty"

The good news is your opinion means nothing and due process is still a thing that should ALWAYS exist.

Sorry, I'm kind of a fan of the rule of law, thanks.

Believing the accusation wouldn't violate the rule of law in any way. Those are two basically separate things. In fact, I would argue that using legal outcomes as a standard of truth is basically just wrong. That's just not what the legal system is aiming for. It's a totally different thing. Whether someone is charged of a crime, or convicted of a crime, is the result of many more factors than the facts of the case.

There are good reasons not to believe this specific accusation. They just don't have much to do with the legal system, because the rule of law is not an epistemological principle. Believe or disbelieve because of the evidence available to you. Reserve judgment if there's not enough evidence available to you. But the legal system is just not that relevant to the point.

What the hell are you on about?

Sorry I might not have drunk enough water today

My point is that due process is not really relevant to the conversation, and that thinking that Trump did it has nothing to do with rule of law

Again, what the hell are you on about?

I brought up due process precisely because the OP called Trump a "literal child rapist" which is as yet unproven in a court of law. And OP's further responses indicate that they're just perfectly happy to lynch anyone even accused of rape because, in their words, "due process is bullshit."

Don't come back 'til you get some hydration in you.

but the comment dethtoll replied to claimed it was utter bullshit, not that it is or isn't relevant

Yeah I think I'm focusing more on the second part of the comment, not the first part

Due process is NEVER bullshit, no matter the accusation or how much you don't like the defendant. If there were any room to erase the notion of due process our legal system, such as it is, would fall apart completely.

Furthermore, the worse the crime, the more horrible and unjust it is for someone to be wrongfully convicted of it. An accusation does not equal a conviction nor does it indicate actual guilt which is basically the reason we even have a legal system.

Anon's point - as I take it - is that we as observers are not bound by the legal principle of due process.

Donald Trump should only be convicted as a result of due process. Whether or not you and I believe that he did this specific thing is a totally different question.

Frankly I already really dislike Trump and think he's a gross person and should never be president. This doesn't change that much.

And in this case, given the lack of any reliable information, I'm not inclined to automatically believe it.

I mean I agree with you in principle but in this case it doesn't make a huge difference. If we were talking about Bill Cosby or something that'd be a different question

This is exactly the attitude that leads to witch hunts and lynchings, friend.

^^^^^^^^

GET THE PITCHFORKS, I heard Anne say that Gloria is a witch, we should go burn her just in case!

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

You're wrong about, literally, everything in this case.

I'm sorry, you've got me confused for someone who says "$hillary" unironically. Was this meant for Blitzy?

AYRT is apparently confusing everyone for everyone in this thread in their overeagerness to point out that Hillary is not a terrible awful person.

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