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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-07-09 03:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #3475 ]


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Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

(Anonymous) 2016-07-09 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
How can a culture take over another culture then when they're done with it just walk away and say "It was like that when I found it"??

Every issue in india today is a direct result of the occupation by the west. How can it not be? It was almost destroyed. It's like someone just broke into your house, ruined all the furnature, raped your wife and shit on the floor, and then turned around and said "But your house was a dump before I got here, so you can't blame me for this mess."
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Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2016-07-09 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, you can argue tht India would have evolved differently without Western invasion.

You can even state that women - maybe - might have been better off in this evolution (we'll never know, but it was a possibility).

However, the people in this thread saying India had a problem with caste systems and misogyny waaay before the West ever set foot there are not wrong. And many attitudes are still a direct result of that, more so than of western influence.
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Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

[personal profile] diet_poison 2016-07-09 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok but there is a middle ground between "the West har zero cultural influence on India" and "the West completely wiped out and netated existing Indian culture". A very broad middle ground. I'd say what actually happened falls somewhere within it.
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Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

[personal profile] chardmonster 2016-07-10 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
This just in the British invented the caste system

Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

(Anonymous) 2016-07-10 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
I genuinely have no idea whether you're being sarcastic, but isn't that an actual argument that people make?
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Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

[personal profile] chardmonster 2016-07-10 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
The British Raj made it worse by tying it to administration (and then tried to fix this in the 1920s by reserving certain posts for members of lower castes) but they didn't invent it. The Brits didn't create the dalits and segregate them from society, for example.

Frankly: blaming every single bad thing on Europeans is a form of white supremacy. Making them the Big Bad still makes them big. There are many, many, many horrible things the Brits did to India. We don't have to pretend they created (rather than exacerbated) this other thing to make them look shitty.

Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

(Anonymous) 2016-07-10 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The caste system is not a problem for women in india. The caste system is just a part of their existing culture, and yes has more rigid classist elements to it than most western countries, but it is a class based social inequality, not a gender based inequality.
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Re: So did you know India has a huge problem with MRA's?

[personal profile] chardmonster 2016-07-10 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, please read this very carefully.

Western countries are not the only countries with fucked up gender inequality.

The Brits did not invent the practice of widow burning, for example. If anything trying to stop it is one of the very very few good things they attempted to do.

Likewise, western powers did not invent shit like footbinding in China.

To act like westerners invented every bad thing outside the west is fucking white supremacy.

This is like when everyone acts like indigenous societies of America were totally peaceful all-accepting hippie cultures where absolutely nothing bad happened ever. No. That's racist. It is actually racist to deny the basic humanity and self determination of a group of people because they aren't The Evil One.

The Brits generally made things worse! But they did not invent every bad thing in every society they affected.
Edited 2016-07-10 19:37 (UTC)